bruss wrote:You are comparing a school of 86% passage to a school with 33% passage bar rate why? To make a point that I should scream foul about UCLA even though they have a higher passage rate then the state of California?
No, to make the point that joining the legal profession is hard
, even if you attend a "good" law school like UCLA. This was prompted by your statement that "have to deliberately teach [students] false information" for them to fail the bar. No you don't. At UCLA they're teaching good information, and teaching it to a pool of solid students, and some people still fail anyway
. My point wasn't that you should be screaming about UCLA, it was that even at a good school like UCLA
there's a significant number of people who can't pass the bar each year.
Your statement suggested that becoming a lawyer in CA is easy, by saying someone has to be malicious (deliberately teaching false information) to cause people to fail the bar. But mere incompetence (simply not teaching the material well enough) could also cause this, or failure to absorb the information (admitting a large number of students who are statistically unlikely to be able to pass the bar). If there's any malice, it's in the admissions process, by deliberately admitting students who shouldn't be in law school. Once you're already doing that, you don't need malice in education; they're likely to fail in large numbers either way.
a social issue. It's a social issue because your mistaken belief that it takes malice to interrupt someone's path from 0L enrollment to bar passage is a collective one, shared by many of the people who attend bottom-rung schools like TJSL. They don't understand that going to TJSL is a mistake, and that if this is the only kind of law school they should get into, they probably shouldn't go at all. TJSL as a community
exists in the first place because of each individual decision to attend despite what a bad idea it was. In that sense, yes, this is very much a social problem. But the fact that it's a "social problem" doesn't absolve each individual who contributed to it of blame, and part of the problem here is the number of people who would rather attend bottom-rung diploma mills like TJSL than not go to law school at all.