Re: NYU vs Columbia (both sticker)
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:04 am
If NYC makes you think of Woody Allen, go to CLS. If it makes you think Lady Gaga, go to NYU.
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The people who tend to make decisions in this manner are usually people without obligations/responsibility who are coming straight from undergrad. Or maybe they took a year off and didn't really do anything substantive and are going to law school with only the vaguest sense of what they want to do.Aberzombie1892 wrote:I always figured that if a prospective student is looking at peer schools (similar rank, placement, etc.) at a similar price, the student should attend the university that is more prestigious as a whole. Here, that would be Columbia.
There's nothing wrong with making decisions this way, depending on your circumstances. Prestige is one of only a few factors that has a nearly certain payoff. Most other factors are subject to considerable uncertainty.djaja wrote:The people who tend to make decisions in this manner are usually people without obligations/responsibility who are coming straight from undergrad. Or maybe they took a year off and didn't really do anything substantive and are going to law school with only the vaguest sense of what they want to do.Aberzombie1892 wrote:I always figured that if a prospective student is looking at peer schools (similar rank, placement, etc.) at a similar price, the student should attend the university that is more prestigious as a whole. Here, that would be Columbia.
I agree with this. I think it can really go either way. There's nothing wrong with picking a school based on prestige, all other factors being equal, but there's also nothing wrong with picking amongst peer schools for various "soft" reasons. That seems to be the consensus, anyway.djaja wrote:Never said there's anything inherently wrong about taking prestige into account. It's just one of those things that you can talk about on the internet but you probably don't want to be heard talking about in real life.
The people who tend to make comments in this manner are usually people with slightly more work experience or responsibilities than others on this site who use this insignificant fact to make snotty, laughable, irrelevant judgments about others choices.djaja wrote:The people who tend to make decisions in this manner are usually people without obligations/responsibility who are coming straight from undergrad. Or maybe they took a year off and didn't really do anything substantive and are going to law school with only the vaguest sense of what they want to do.Aberzombie1892 wrote:I always figured that if a prospective student is looking at peer schools (similar rank, placement, etc.) at a similar price, the student should attend the university that is more prestigious as a whole. Here, that would be Columbia.
kwais wrote:The people who tend to make comments in this manner are usually peopledjaja wrote:The people who tend to make decisions in this manner are usually people without obligations/responsibility who are coming straight from undergrad. Or maybe they took a year off and didn't really do anything substantive and are going to law school with only the vaguest sense of what they want to do.Aberzombie1892 wrote:I always figured that if a prospective student is looking at peer schools (similar rank, placement, etc.) at a similar price, the student should attend the university that is more prestigious as a whole. Here, that would be Columbia.with slightly morewho think they have more work experience or responsibilities than others on this site who use this insignificant fact to make snotty, laughable, irrelevant judgments about others choices.
hipsters left the village a long time ago.birdlaw117 wrote:To be semi-helpful, just visit the two schools. CLS = quieter, shittier neighborhood, but you get a campus, so that's cool. NYU = busier, better nightlife, but you get hipsters, so very many hipsters. Also, if you go to NYU you have to deal with me, so that's another negative. It's looking like CLS is the clear winner upon further review.
You'll be fine at CLS. There are plenty of public interest opportunities there. Most of them just arise from being in NYC; you can do externships, clinics, internships, whatever. You'd probably just be around more like-minded people at NYU (although honestly, your level of commitment to public interest sounds about like most law students', whether at CLS or NYU or anywhere else—i.e., "I'll save the world... sometime").hannahmontana wrote:Alright, putting aside important matters like hotness and hipsters...I have a public interest background that I would like to pursue in law school. I'd probably like to work in Big Law immediately afterwards, and then go back to PI later in life. Also, I deeply care about prestige to lawyers, lay people, New Yorkers, and non-New Yorkers, not that I would admit this IRL. My question is, does Columbia have any interesting PI opportunities for current students, or is it really just not part of the culture there?
The return of dixiecup!!!!!!!! I promise not to troll you though this time, but you are among my top favorite poassters.dixiecupdrinking wrote:You'll be fine at CLS. There are plenty of public interest opportunities there. Most of them just arise from being in NYC; you can do externships, clinics, internships, whatever. You'd probably just be around more like-minded people at NYU (although honestly, your level of commitment to public interest sounds about like most law students', whether at CLS or NYU or anywhere else—i.e., "I'll save the world... sometime").hannahmontana wrote:Alright, putting aside important matters like hotness and hipsters...I have a public interest background that I would like to pursue in law school. I'd probably like to work in Big Law immediately afterwards, and then go back to PI later in life. Also, I deeply care about prestige to lawyers, lay people, New Yorkers, and non-New Yorkers, not that I would admit this IRL. My question is, does Columbia have any interesting PI opportunities for current students, or is it really just not part of the culture there?
Don't forget MTal too.Guchster wrote:Note: if this thread becomes too srs bsns, I'm going to beckon birdlaw, kwais, and my michigan brethren to troll the fuck out of this thread to encourage people to use the 'search forum' button that TLS has generously provided.
MTal's not allowed in this thread (as it's so obvious that both schools are TTTT and a degree is so worthless at sticker that he has no incentive to troll). For reference to the art NYUCLS created, see the first few pages of this thread.tempur_three wrote:Don't forget MTal too.Guchster wrote:Note: if this thread becomes too srs bsns, I'm going to beckon birdlaw, kwais, and my michigan brethren to troll the fuck out of this thread to encourage people to use the 'search forum' button that TLS has generously provided.
Checking in.Guchster wrote:Note: if this thread becomes too srs bsns, I'm going to beckon birdlaw, kwais, ahduth, and my michigan brethren to troll the fuck out of this thread to encourage people to use the 'search forum' button that TLS has generously provided.
You're going to be just fine at either place. I have a difficult time believing the students at NYU are significantly more PI-focused than at CLS. Sure, the stats will tell you that somewhere between 5-10 percentage points worth of students will do PI work from NYU. But in reality, the majority will be heading to a firm whether you're at NYU or CLS. Meaning, no matter what school you choose, PI folks are in the minority. I do think that there is a bigger focus on PI jobs for 1L summer positions at NYU than CLS. That could be beneficial as it would help you figure out if that's what you really want to do.hannahmontana wrote:Alright, putting aside important matters like hotness and hipsters...I have a public interest background that I would like to pursue in law school. I'd probably like to work in Big Law immediately afterwards, and then go back to PI later in life. Also, I deeply care about prestige to lawyers, lay people, New Yorkers, and non-New Yorkers, not that I would admit this IRL. My question is, does Columbia have any interesting PI opportunities for current students, or is it really just not part of the culture there?