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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby marmot8 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:30 pm

if you're NYC big law or bust it is probably your best best outside of T14, but you might want to consider some peer schools because of scholarship concerns (if for nothing else to be able to negotiate)

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby RPK34 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:36 pm

Personally, I'd say BC/BU/GW. All would give you decent chance at NYC biglaw, and I'd say all three are likely to throw around 60k at you, if not more. All three are much better investments with sizeable scholarships than Fordham at sticker. The only exception would be if it was NYC biglaw or bust for you, then I wouldn't recommend anywhere but a t-14 (and wouldn't suggest Fordham at sticker at all)

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby tennisking88 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:38 pm

Cornell.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby ahnhub » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:46 pm

Fordham didn't give you $$? I think NYC biglaw would be more likely from Fordham than BU or BC.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby soriano329 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:57 pm

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby tennisking88 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:00 pm

If you want NYC biglaw, Cornell places much better than Fordham. Georgetown also doesn't have bad NYC placement. If Fordham gives you enough aid though, it might be worth it.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby Veyron » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:02 pm

BC/BU/GW. All would give you decent chance at NYC biglaw.


Lol, no. Texas, Vandy, UCLA are the only schools worth comparing to Fordham for NYC biglaw. Go where you get the most money.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby ahnhub » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:02 pm

By "Biglaw or bust" you mean that you really, really want Biglaw right, not that you would drop out of school or want to /kill-self if you struck out at OCI? Because then I would recommend not going even if you get into a T-14.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby tennisking88 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:07 pm

Veyron wrote:
BC/BU/GW. All would give you decent chance at NYC biglaw.


Lol, no. Texas, Vandy, UCLA are the only schools worth comparing to Fordham for NYC biglaw. Go where you get the most money.


Texas and UCLA do not place well in NYC. Like I said, Cornell places extremely well in NYC biglaw. If money/location is not a consideration, I would take Cornell over Fordham any day.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby Grizz » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:11 pm

ahnhub wrote:By "Biglaw or bust" you mean that you really, really want Biglaw right, not that you would drop out of school or want to /kill-self if you struck out at OCI? Because then I would recommend not going even if you get into a T-14.

Credited.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby Veyron » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:33 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
Veyron wrote:
BC/BU/GW. All would give you decent chance at NYC biglaw.


Lol, no. Texas, Vandy, UCLA are the only schools worth comparing to Fordham for NYC biglaw. Go where you get the most money.


Texas and UCLA do not place well in NYC. Like I said, Cornell places extremely well in NYC biglaw. If money/location is not a consideration, I would take Cornell over Fordham any day.


No shit, might as well mention that you'd take Yale over Fordham. Point is, Texas, UCLA, Vandy are almost as good for NYC biglaw (notice I didn't say AS good) and would be worth taking over F if cheaper.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby Helmholtz » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:36 pm

Grizz wrote:
ahnhub wrote:By "Biglaw or bust" you mean that you really, really want Biglaw right, not that you would drop out of school or want to /kill-self if you struck out at OCI? Because then I would recommend not going even if you get into a T-14.

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+1

If you go to Fordham and are biglaw-or-bust, chances are you're going to be bust, not biglaw.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby mattviphky » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:46 am

why is cornell not tcr?

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby ahduth » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:15 am

Helmholtz wrote:
Grizz wrote:
ahnhub wrote:By "Biglaw or bust" you mean that you really, really want Biglaw right, not that you would drop out of school or want to /kill-self if you struck out at OCI? Because then I would recommend not going even if you get into a T-14.

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+1

If you go to Fordham and are biglaw-or-bust, chances are you're going to be bust, not biglaw.


I want to disagree with Helmholtz, just because he seems perpetually rational, but this is it. Don't pay 200k to go to a school that won't guarantee you what you want.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby JamMasterJ » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:17 am

ahduth wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
Grizz wrote:
ahnhub wrote:By "Biglaw or bust" you mean that you really, really want Biglaw right, not that you would drop out of school or want to /kill-self if you struck out at OCI? Because then I would recommend not going even if you get into a T-14.

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+1

If you go to Fordham and are biglaw-or-bust, chances are you're going to be bust, not biglaw.


I want to disagree with Helmholtz, just because he seems perpetually rational, but this is it. Don't pay 200k to go to a school that won't guarantee you what you want.

So I shouldn't have ED'd to Chicago?

I understand what you mean, but guarantee isn't quite right

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:19 am

mattviphky wrote:why is cornell not tcr?


Because it's in the T14. I think OP's asking an entirely different question.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby ahduth » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:22 am

JamMasterJ wrote:So I shouldn't have ED'd to Chicago?

I understand what you mean, but guarantee isn't quite right


Yeah, I mean... no one should be forced to go to Chicago period, right?

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:25 am

tennisking88 wrote:Cornell.


tennisking88 wrote:If you want NYC biglaw, Cornell places much better than Fordham. Georgetown also doesn't have bad NYC placement. If Fordham gives you enough aid though, it might be worth it.


tennisking88 wrote: Like I said, Cornell places extremely well in NYC biglaw. If money/location is not a consideration, I would take Cornell over Fordham any day.


Original question wrote: Is it worth applying to any other law schools (especially those ranked 15-29)? Or is Fordham my best bet for NYC big law if I don't get into a t14?

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby MrAnon » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:25 pm

http://law.fordham.edu/about-fordham/5247.htm


Their marketing materials are so obviously misleading. Fordham should be ashamed of itself. Fordham is a better bet than UVA, Michigan, Chicago, and Stanford? Give me a break. Anyone who believes that and troops off to Fordham deserves their fate. Students at Chicago and Stanford can have any job they want. There are plenty of students at Fordham who can't find any job, period. Big law is not even on their minds. The methodology for these charts is that someone went on Martindale and did a search for attorneys. Martindale isn't some national registry of attorneys. The closest thing to it is LinkedIn. So you are basing your choice of schools on someone's search of LinkedIn.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby marmot8 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:18 pm

+1

If you go to Fordham and are biglaw-or-bust, chances are you're going to be bust, not biglaw.[/quote]

I want to disagree with Helmholtz, just because he seems perpetually rational, but this is it. Don't pay 200k to go to a school that won't guarantee you what you want.[/quote]

I am not looking for a "guarantee" but rather for the school that has the best chance of placing me in a top NYC law firm. I would most likely pick Cornell or Georgetown if I am accepted (granted I did not get big $$$ at Fordham). However, if I am not accepted, I am curious if any other law schools not in the t14 place as many graduates as Fordham does at big NYC law firms. I found this statistic on their website, which led me to believe that Fordham would be (among) the best non-t14 to help get that top law job after graduation:

http://law.fordham.edu/about-fordham/5247.htm[/quote]

no, there are not. HTH.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby MachineLemon » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:35 pm

soriano329 wrote:I am not looking for a "guarantee" but rather for the school that has the best chance of placing me in a top NYC law firm. I would most likely pick Cornell or Georgetown if I am accepted (granted I did not get big $$$ at Fordham). However, if I am not accepted, I am curious if any other law schools not in the t14 place as many graduates as Fordham does at big NYC law firms. I found this statistic on their website, which led me to believe that Fordham would be (among) the best non-t14 to help get that top law job after graduation:

http://law.fordham.edu/about-fordham/5247.htm

http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/2011/03/class-of-2010-nlj-250-statistics/

Probably a better metric.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby concurrent fork » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:35 pm

Veyron wrote:
BC/BU/GW. All would give you decent chance at NYC biglaw.


Lol, no. Texas, Vandy, UCLA are the only schools worth comparing to Fordham for NYC biglaw. Go where you get the most money.

IIRC BC/BU both place around 15% of their classes in NYC, and that's with most of the class self-selecting for Boston. Not to mention a 168/3.8xx will net the OP significant $$ at both schools. At the very least, this makes them worth applying to and comparing to Fordham.

That said, I wouldn't advocate attending any of Fordham/BC/BU/GW except on full or close to full tuition.

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Re: In at Fordham - is it worth applying 15-29 for NYC big law?

Postby Veyron » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:03 pm

concurrent fork wrote:
Veyron wrote:
BC/BU/GW. All would give you decent chance at NYC biglaw.


Lol, no. Texas, Vandy, UCLA are the only schools worth comparing to Fordham for NYC biglaw. Go where you get the most money.

IIRC BC/BU both place around 15% of their classes in NYC, and that's with most of the class self-selecting for Boston. Not to mention a 168/3.8xx will net the OP significant $$ at both schools. At the very least, this makes them worth applying to and comparing to Fordham.

That said, I wouldn't advocate attending any of Fordham/BC/BU/GW except on full or close to full tuition.


Since OP is similarly likely to graduate sans job from BU, BC, and F he should certainly go where he will have the least debt. I was just buying into his pie-in-the-sky biglaw-or-bust mentality and advising him accordingly.




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