I need some REAL advice please...158/2.21

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Re: I need some REAL advice please...158/2.21

Postby bk1 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:33 pm

Serious advice to OP: if you can't force yourself to hunker down and retake the LSAT again and again until you have a worthwhile score where there is minimal cost, why are you okay with making a similar gamble about hunkering down and trying to get good grades in law school while networking your ass off when the cost is 3 year's worth of tuition of living expenses?

Makes no god damn sense.

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Re: I need some REAL advice please...158/2.21

Postby admisionquestion » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:35 pm

Ugh,

Looking at your ridiculous GPA i would never recommend a retake.

How fast can you run? purse snatching might be a good career?

Nobody will care a whole lot about your ADHD. You might perform closer to having a 3.0. But again, I would never recommend a 3.0 student go to law school in this economy without a killer LSAT. You have nothing even remotely close to that.

You already knew the "real" advice when you posted. Do NOT waste your time/money find something you can be passionate about that is a good fit for you.

if you really want law school return in 10 years after you build a career, (perhaps the legal market will be better) and after you terrible LSAT clears.

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Re: I need some REAL advice please...158/2.21

Postby caputlupinum » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:42 pm

I would seriously seriously seriously try and intentionally extend undergrad.... Take 13 hours this summer at a community college in like real estate or art classes look at their grade distribution then do 21 hours fall semester next year doing the easiest classes you can find like do a minor in religion or landscaping.... that would be 34 new hours of hopefully A's to cushion your app when you apply next Christmas that could bump you to around a 2.75..
If you decide you must apply right now I would say shoot "high" for schools like loyola NO, LSU, stetson, Nova SE, FIU, maybe mercer, south texas and others... I would really really look at the COL in the areas you apply because you will struggle. I really think if you must take the TTT trian I would not do it in markets like the northeast or out west as when you struggle there you could end up homeless but at least in the southeast COL is cheap as shit and lay people down here are naive to school rankings for the most part and the only great schools they know are their state's flagship, this ignorance helps if you become a ham and egg shop doing DUIs, Family Law etc. Also IMO their are huge differences in employment of TTT for instance if you look at Loyola NO, Nova and Stetson where a large portion of the class is employed while they may not be making 160k they are employed compared to schools like Ave Maria where no one is employed. I also have a friend who graduated from Charleston a year ago and just (so it took him a year) got a job as an associate at a multi-office bankruptcy firm in SC. He had to work for a year as a paralegal in asbestos class action before he could find a job as an attorney but now he is making 70k and paying off loans. Last year he was really depressed and told me to never go to law school but now he is glad he made the decision and likes what he does everyday and the hours and wishes he didn't place so much importance on the first job he got out of law school and looked at the big picture of his long term career.

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Re: I need some REAL advice please...158/2.21

Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:01 pm

jeremydc wrote:You know what bro, if you are set on Law school, go for it.

I would apply to small TTT with decent connections. If your app is as strong as you make it out to be, try Drake, its a decent TTT with solid networking within the city.


Screw whatever negativity may end up in this thread. Go for it .


What kinds of things do I need to research or look at to determine the types of connections certain schools may have? What can I look at to learn of schools with decent connections?

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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:03 pm

IAFG wrote: TLS don't know shit about the admissions practices of bottom feeder scam schools.


This was probably the most helpful part of your post, thanks for trying though, I guess?

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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:08 pm

Megamanvix wrote:Where do you want to practice and do you want the big city, town, or rural are the main questions to be asked before answering your question.


I'm currently in Southern California. I understand it's going to be very difficult for me to stay/practice here. I'm open to practicing in CA/NY/NV/AZ as of right now. At the same time, if someone directs me in the direction of a school in any other region, one that will significantly increase my chances of making a decent living after law school, then of course I will consider.

I know Southwestern Law in LA has a good regional influence as far as the high % of people they send to the DA/PD's office as well as smaller private firms. I will definitely be applying there.

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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:11 pm

mrtoren wrote:think part-time, probably in smaller, rural markets.


Excuse me if you will, I highlighted the useful part of your post for my purposes.

If I'm thinking part-time, smaller/rural markets, what schools could you direct me towards?

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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:14 pm

89vision wrote:Well, I can understand the GPA thing. I had a 3.5, 3.2, and 3.0 three semesters in a row before I my meds started to kick in, two of which I had a serious drug problem as well. Since then I didn't have less than a 3.5 (I go to a top 40 private). You probably need to boost the LSAT. If you didn't study that much, you should really hit the books. Studying will add points to your score. My first diagnostic from a proctored practice test was a 141, my best practice tests after I started studying was 167, with a 164 average. Studying for it blows, but it is really worth it. Some schools will accept the Feb. test. If you do break 160, you'll probably have a chance at a few 50-100 schools.

Where do you want to practice? For Cleveland, there are only 2 laws schools, meaning CSU is relatively competitive in the city. Pittsburgh also has two, but the second one is awful. Des Moines has two, and Drake apparently does pretty well placing. I would suggest looking at schools in places you want to practice, and how many law schools are in that city. Apply to places you received fee waivers from as well. Check out LSN to see where you would fit. Maybe if you ED's somewhere that could help. Here's TLS's ranking with the range of GPAs and LSATs:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/rankings.html

You may have a chance at Hawaii, WVU, Maine, Gonzaga, etc;, but you should apply to a lot of schools and see what happens. Make sure everything else in your application is strong, obviously. Work on your PS, do the optional essays, visit prospective student days, and show genuine interest in the schools you are applying.

I think a 158 is workable, but the GPA is dragging you down. That's hard to overcome.

Thanks for the insight. Unfortunately I did study a decent amount. (4 months) I will obviously re-take and apply next cycle if I have to. But thank you for the help!

That's my opinion, but I'm far from an expert on these things. Good luck.

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Re: I need some REAL advice please...158/2.21

Postby acrossthelake » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:15 pm

SplitLife wrote:
Megamanvix wrote:Where do you want to practice and do you want the big city, town, or rural are the main questions to be asked before answering your question.


I'm currently in Southern California. I understand it's going to be very difficult for me to stay/practice here. I'm open to practicing in CA/NY/NV/AZ as of right now. At the same time, if someone directs me in the direction of a school in any other region, one that will significantly increase my chances of making a decent living after law school, then of course I will consider.

I know Southwestern Law in LA has a good regional influence as far as the high % of people they send to the DA/PD's office as well as smaller private firms. I will definitely be applying there.


This seems overoptimistic. Come back when you have your improved LSAT score. People will probably have better advice for you then if it's substantially improved. 158/2.21 as a non-URM just won't go anywhere where you have a decent chance of a decent living.

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Postby vanwinkle » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:17 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
SplitLife wrote:
Megamanvix wrote:Where do you want to practice and do you want the big city, town, or rural are the main questions to be asked before answering your question.


I'm currently in Southern California. I understand it's going to be very difficult for me to stay/practice here. I'm open to practicing in CA/NY/NV/AZ as of right now. At the same time, if someone directs me in the direction of a school in any other region, one that will significantly increase my chances of making a decent living after law school, then of course I will consider.

I know Southwestern Law in LA has a good regional influence as far as the high % of people they send to the DA/PD's office as well as smaller private firms. I will definitely be applying there.

Lol. This seems overoptimistic.

Well, if he chooses a school with a 10% chance of landing him work, instead of one with 5%, that's a significant increase, right?

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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:17 pm

AssumptionRequired wrote:Which region do you want to end up in? Until you answer that our answers cannot be very helpful.


I would love to end up in CA/NY/AZ/NV

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Postby acrossthelake » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:19 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:Lol. This seems overoptimistic.

Well, if he chooses a school with a 10% chance of landing him work, instead of one with 5%, that's a significant increase, right?


True, true, you do have a point. I def. wouldn't bet on that, but then again, I'm pretty risk-averse...which is why I'm entering this profession in the first place.

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Postby caputlupinum » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:20 pm

SplitLife wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:Which region do you want to end up in? Until you answer that our answers cannot be very helpful.


I would love to end up in CA/NY/AZ/NV


like I said in post prior if you must do TTT I would not do a TTT in NY (or anywhere in the NE for that matter) or CA... Stick with midwest and south

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Postby johansantana21 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:20 pm

REAL advice would be not to go to law school ever.

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Postby caputlupinum » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:22 pm

johansantana21 wrote:REAL advice would be not to go to law school ever.

this is a breakthrough!!! you must be a genius

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Postby poe » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:22 pm

caputlupinum wrote:
SplitLife wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:Which region do you want to end up in? Until you answer that our answers cannot be very helpful.


I would love to end up in CA/NY/AZ/NV


like I said in post prior if you must do TTT I would not do a TTT in NY (or anywhere in the NE for that matter) or CA... Stick with midwest and south


Aren't people without prior ties to a region (at least when it comes to small, insular markets) generally at a disadvantage?

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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:23 pm

[/quote]OP, look at 3rd tier schools who's LSN graphs show people getting in (hopefully with scholarships) with a similarly low gpa. These scholarships are going to be contingent on high grades, but the fact is, unless you have extremely high grades, your employability is nil, and you should drop out anyway. That way, you can commit one year at a lower cost with the understanding that if you don't get exceptional grades, you can drop out.

Again, not advising this, but it's the closest thing to a rationale that I can give you [/quote]

Thank you, this was actually helpful. Could I perhaps PM you with another question?
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Postby joemoviebuff » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:25 pm

SplitLife wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:Which region do you want to end up in? Until you answer that our answers cannot be very helpful.


I would love to end up in CA/NY/AZ/NV


Well with that GPA/LSAT you probably won't get a decent job in those places, especially CA and NY because a metric fuckton of other students from not just better schools, but the best schools want to be there. I don't know where you're living now, but since you have "a gun to your head" either hit up a place where you live that has a low in state tuition or a place out in the midwest or somewhere that nobody wants to live and that has no competition from other schools, like North Dakota.

ETA: but seriously, there will be literally tens of thousands of people with better grades and better LSAT scores coming from much better schools that will be competing with you for jobs. Even at top 10 institutions students are having trouble finding work. Don't stick your head in the fucking sand and tell yourself that "as long as you work hard" you'll be fine. Seriously. Why do you insist on ignoring the advice you know most people will give (for good reason too)?
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Postby acrossthelake » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:25 pm

poe wrote:
Aren't people without prior ties to a region (at least when it comes to small, insular markets) generally at a disadvantage?


Yeah, but in Cali there's the problem of competing with Stanford, Boalt, UCLA, UC-Davis, etc. Plus all the T14 kids who did well trying to come home.

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Postby caputlupinum » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:28 pm

poe wrote:
caputlupinum wrote:
SplitLife wrote:
AssumptionRequired wrote:Which region do you want to end up in? Until you answer that our answers cannot be very helpful.


I would love to end up in CA/NY/AZ/NV


like I said in post prior if you must do TTT I would not do a TTT in NY (or anywhere in the NE for that matter) or CA... Stick with midwest and south


Aren't people without prior ties to a region (at least when it comes to small, insular markets) generally at a disadvantage?


I really don't think this is true for Texas, NC, Florida and Georgia if you go to school there. Maybe a little in LA and for sure in SC.

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Postby poe » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:29 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
poe wrote:
Aren't people without prior ties to a region (at least when it comes to small, insular markets) generally at a disadvantage?


Yeah, but in Cali there's the problem of competing with Stanford, Boalt, UCLA, UC-Davis, etc. Plus all the T14 kids who did well trying to come home.


Oh, definitely. I'm not saying that going to a TTT in Cali is a good idea by any means; I'm just pointing out that those smaller markets won't exactly be a good bet either.

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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:29 pm

bk1 wrote:Serious advice to OP: if you can't force yourself to hunker down and retake the LSAT again and again until you have a worthwhile score where there is minimal cost, why are you okay with making a similar gamble about hunkering down and trying to get good grades in law school while networking your ass off when the cost is 3 year's worth of tuition of living expenses?

Makes no god damn sense.


Where are you getting this from?? Naturally, that's what I'm going to do if nothing works out this cycle. However, if you read any of my OP you would have realized that advice like yours is just a waste of everyone's time. All you've done is make yourself angry based on your own personal assumption. Good work.

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Postby caputlupinum » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:32 pm

poe wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
poe wrote:
Aren't people without prior ties to a region (at least when it comes to small, insular markets) generally at a disadvantage?


Yeah, but in Cali there's the problem of competing with Stanford, Boalt, UCLA, UC-Davis, etc. Plus all the T14 kids who did well trying to come home.


Oh, definitely. I'm not saying that going to a TTT in Cali is a good idea by any means; I'm just pointing out that those smaller markets won't exactly be a good bet either.



In my experience you will find far more Campbell Law grads in for instance in Elizabeth town, NC DAs offices and small law shops than will you find UNC Law Grads and certainly Duke Law grads..

Edit: elizabethtown not clayton
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Postby SplitLife » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:33 pm

admisionquestion wrote:Nobody will care a whole lot about your ADHD.


Ugh, how do you know this? Is there any way you can point me in the direction of a statistic or some kind of hard evidence that I can possibly research to determine if in fact there are schools out there that may care a little bit about medically diagnosed learning disabilities that have been overcome?

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Postby johansantana21 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:35 pm

SplitLife wrote:
admisionquestion wrote:Nobody will care a whole lot about your ADHD.


Ugh, how do you know this? Is there any way you can point me in the direction of a statistic or some kind of hard evidence that I can possibly research to determine if in fact there are schools out there that may care a little bit about medically diagnosed learning disabilities that have been overcome?


Even IF schools cared about ADHD, it won't matter a single bit considering the LSAC gpa they have to report is a 2.21.




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