Emory's falling in the ranks

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby anewaphorist » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Emory would rather buy their students donuts to help console them about their miserable career-services office than actually do any of the aforementioned to boost their ratings. They know they'll still place in Atlanta/Nashville/Carolina/NYC.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby FUBAR » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:56 pm

Emory is a TTT.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby MrAnon » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:03 pm

At the end of the day its dismal job prospects and perpetual status in some circles as Georgia's Other Law School trump. My prediction is that it won't stop until it hits #40. It may receive a bounce from there, but I am unsure.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:10 pm

Emory fell because the southern legal market was decimated due to the failures of big business. However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

See also Vanderbilt's loss of 20+% of the class in big law over a 1 year period and Duke's 38% in big law (re: BC/BU/UCLA/USC/GTown kind of number).

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby MrAnon » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:20 pm

However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.


What is this prediction based on? Do you have a crystal ball? Have you just returned from the future? The evidence suggests that the worst years (2008/2009) in terms of hiring are behind us and that 2010/2011 are the new normal and will continue to be so long into the future.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby john1990 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:50 pm

FUBAR wrote:Emory is a TTT.


actually their stats are pretty good compared to the top 30

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

28% are making $145,000+ and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby john1990 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:51 pm

MrAnon wrote:
However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.


What is this prediction based on? Do you have a crystal ball? Have you just returned from the future? The evidence suggests that the worst years (2008/2009) in terms of hiring are behind us and that 2010/2011 are the new normal and will continue to be so long into the future.


Historically these schools have always been t30. Emory has never in 100 years been ranked 40 :roll:

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby MrAnon » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:02 pm

john1990 wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.


What is this prediction based on? Do you have a crystal ball? Have you just returned from the future? The evidence suggests that the worst years (2008/2009) in terms of hiring are behind us and that 2010/2011 are the new normal and will continue to be so long into the future.


Historically these schools have always been t30. Emory has never in 100 years been ranked 40 :roll:


Historically WUSTL was T40, until it was T18. History is full things that could never happen, until they did.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby john1990 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:07 pm

I'm not saying that it is impossible, only that it is unlikely, and how one might predict that the schools will bounce back. On the other hand, your prediction is based on very little.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby FUBAR » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:10 pm

john1990 wrote:and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC


So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby john1990 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:03 pm

FUBAR wrote:
john1990 wrote:and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC


So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?


that's fubar :o

There is no way to factor that into the stats as far as i know. That would be all speculation. But, the fact remains that 28% @ 145k+ is very good for a T30 school

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby johansantana21 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:04 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:Emory fell because the southern legal market was decimated due to the failures of big business. However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

See also Vanderbilt's loss of 20+% of the class in big law over a 1 year period and Duke's 38% in big law (re: BC/BU/UCLA/USC/GTown kind of number).


You think the southern market will recover in a year or two?

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby FUBAR » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:49 pm

john1990 wrote:
FUBAR wrote:
john1990 wrote:and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC


So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?


that's fubar :o

There is no way to factor that into the stats as far as i know. That would be all speculation. But, the fact remains that 28% @ 145k+ is very good for a T30 school


Then why the heck were you bringing up COL w/respect to jobs Emory grads get. Most Emory grads will be saddled with six figure debt and a low paying/no job.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby MrAnon » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:59 pm

FUBAR wrote:
john1990 wrote:
FUBAR wrote:
john1990 wrote:and that is in a city with a cost of living nearly half of NYC/DC


So, Emory places no grads in NYC/DC? What are you talking about?


that's fubar :o

There is no way to factor that into the stats as far as i know. That would be all speculation. But, the fact remains that 28% @ 145k+ is very good for a T30 school


Then why the heck were you bringing up COL w/respect to jobs Emory grads get. Most Emory grads will be saddled with six figure debt and a low paying/no job.



The Emory 3L survey that was posted by the students themselves says that 52% were jobless at graduation. Out of the entire class of 184 students, 28 students got big law. That is 15%. 8% got midlaw. 32% WISHED for midlaw. http://emorylawstudent.com/3l-class-of- ... nt-figures

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby FUBAR » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:03 pm

MrAnon wrote:
The Emory 3L survey that was posted by the students themselves says that 52% were jobless at graduation. Out of the entire class of 184 students, 28 students got big law. That is 15%. 8% got midlaw. 32% WISHED for midlaw. http://emorylawstudent.com/3l-class-of- ... nt-figures


So I guess if over half the class is unemployed at graduation that is...
john1990 wrote:very good for a T30 school

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby john1990 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:54 pm

FUBAR wrote:
MrAnon wrote:
The Emory 3L survey that was posted by the students themselves says that 52% were jobless at graduation. Out of the entire class of 184 students, 28 students got big law. That is 15%. 8% got midlaw. 32% WISHED for midlaw. http://emorylawstudent.com/3l-class-of- ... nt-figures


So I guess if over half the class is unemployed at graduation that is...
john1990 wrote:very good for a T30 school


That survey was posted in April, one month before graduation :| If it was posted in April, then odds are most people answered in March.

COL in Atlanta is relevant since 45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/care ... 5-2011.pdf


Emory gives out more scholarships than almost any other T30 school.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby FUBAR » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:03 pm

john1990 wrote:45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta


Most likely because they can't get jerbs anywhere else.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:08 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:Emory fell because the southern legal market was decimated due to the failures of big business. However, Emory - along with Vanderbilt and Duke - will be back to normal in a year or two.

See also Vanderbilt's loss of 20+% of the class in big law over a 1 year period and Duke's 38% in big law (re: BC/BU/UCLA/USC/GTown kind of number).


You think the southern market will recover in a year or two?


No, not if by recover you mean 'recover all the way.' I believe that Duke will be back to 45%+ in big law, as this year was the first time (probably ever) that its numbers were so low. It's not unlike how Cornell had a bad year last year (Cornell is usually top 3 - excluding HYS - for big law).

Vanderbilt normally places about the same as BU/BC/UCLA/USC, and it's unlikely that it will remain low as the offer rates in the south (particularly Atlanta) have significantly improved over the last reported year.

Emory never really placed more than 23% or less in big law - however - half of its class was unemployed at graduation last year (c/o 2010). It will likely improve that number for the same reasons Duke and Vanderbilt will improve their big law numbers - the southern market is getting better.

Please note, however, that even if the southern market improves significantly, many schools in crowded southern markets are still screwed.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby romothesavior » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:13 am

john1990 wrote:Emory gives out more scholarships than almost any other T30 school.

wut

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby anewaphorist » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:22 am

This thread is full of such blatant misinformation...sigh.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:36 am

anewaphorist wrote:This thread is full of such blatant misinformation...sigh.


Like?

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby caputlupinum » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:44 am

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
(Cornell is usually top 3 - excluding HYS - for big law).




Cornell was #2 in 2010 beating out HYS in NLJ hires... with 58.33% getting NLJ

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby forty-two » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:01 pm

FUBAR wrote:
john1990 wrote:45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta


Most likely because they can't get jerbs anywhere else.

Not in my experience. I know a ton of people who just love Atlanta and want to stay. It's a great city, the COL is very low, the weather's great, and, at least for my chosen field, there's more hiring going on in in Atlanta than in my hometown. As for people who really want to work elsewhere, I honestly haven't heard of it being a problem as long as they intern and network in that city.

Also, for the survey, I believe that was taken informally last year a few months before graduation. So, there's no saying who replied and who didn't, it wasn't at graduation, and a bunch of jobs don't hire without bar results, so it's not like everyone who graduates without a job will never get one. It all depends on which area/field you're going into (I know it's sometimes hard for people who are only interested in biglaw to believe this because the hiring structure is so different, but a lot of hiring really does happen this way). Additionally, there have been a lot of changes made since last year. We have a new dean and new administrators who are really listening to students and what we want, and so far they've made some very good changes that I think will help a lot of people.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:33 pm

caputlupinum wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
(Cornell is usually top 3 - excluding HYS - for big law).




Cornell was #2 in 2010 beating out HYS in NLJ hires... with 58.33% getting NLJ


I know. I ignore HYS for the purposes of NLJ placement because they send so many students to Art. 3 clerkships who otherwise could have gotten NLJ (generally 20%+ per school).

As a side note: unless I'm mistaken, Cornell, UPenn, Chicago, and Columbia are (on average) the top 4 for NLJ placement excluding HYS. Prospective T14 students should keep that in mind if their -only- goal is an NLJ firm. Especially Cornell, which is a beast but is often overlooked by rankings obsessed 0L's.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby FUBAR » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:05 pm

forty-two wrote:
FUBAR wrote:
john1990 wrote:45% of Emory grads stay in Atlanta


Most likely because they can't get jerbs anywhere else.

Not in my experience. I know a ton of people who just love Atlanta and want to stay. It's a great city, the COL is very low, the weather's great, and, at least for my chosen field, there's more hiring going on in in Atlanta than in my hometown. As for people who really want to work elsewhere, I honestly haven't heard of it being a problem as long as they intern and network in that city.

Also, for the survey, I believe that was taken informally last year a few months before graduation. So, there's no saying who replied and who didn't, it wasn't at graduation, and a bunch of jobs don't hire without bar results, so it's not like everyone who graduates without a job will never get one. It all depends on which area/field you're going into (I know it's sometimes hard for people who are only interested in biglaw to believe this because the hiring structure is so different, but a lot of hiring really does happen this way). Additionally, there have been a lot of changes made since last year. We have a new dean and new administrators who are really listening to students and what we want, and so far they've made some very good changes that I think will help a lot of people.


I hope you feel better now.




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