Emory's falling in the ranks

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Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby PrincetonLaw » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:18 pm

Curious if anyone has any knowledge as to why Emory has fallen in the rankings in the last few years.

20>22>30

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby 071816 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:18 pm

Doesn't matter.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby PrincetonLaw » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:21 pm

chimp wrote:Doesn't matter.


care to elaborate?

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby 20130312 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:23 pm

Because rankings don't matter.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby tennisking88 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:24 pm

PrincetonLaw wrote:
chimp wrote:Doesn't matter.


care to elaborate?


Schools ranked outside the T14 are mostly regional. This is why it makes no difference whether Emory is 20 or 30 - unless it can get to 13 or 14, it will still place people in the same places.
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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby PrincetonLaw » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:31 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
PrincetonLaw wrote:
chimp wrote:Doesn't matter.


care to elaborate?


Schools ranked outside the T14 are mostly regional. This is why it makes no difference is Emory is 20 or 30 - unless it can get to 13 or 14, it will still place people in the same places.


Thanks

InGoodFaith wrote:Because rankings don't matter.

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Crush'n it

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby bernaldiaz » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:35 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
PrincetonLaw wrote:
chimp wrote:Doesn't matter.


care to elaborate?


Schools ranked outside the T14 are mostly regional. This is why it makes no difference whether Emory is 20 or 30 - unless it can get to 13 or 14, it will still place people in the same places.


That's a reasoning fail. The Top 14 is important because it is made up of schools that have national reach. A school doesn't suddenly have national reach because it is all of a sudden one of the best 14 schools. It's not a magical threshold.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby 071816 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:37 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
PrincetonLaw wrote:
chimp wrote:Doesn't matter.


care to elaborate?


Schools ranked outside the T14 are mostly regional. This is why it makes no difference whether Emory is 20 or 30 - unless it can get to 13 or 14, it will still place people in the same places.


Even so, it would likely still place primarily in the southeast. Just look at UT. It's still a regional school even though it's at number 14 this year. I agree with your overall point though that minor shifts in the rankings generally don't matter and that most (if not all) schools are regional to some degree.
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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby 20130312 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:37 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:
PrincetonLaw wrote:
chimp wrote:Doesn't matter.


care to elaborate?


Schools ranked outside the T14 are mostly regional. This is why it makes no difference whether Emory is 20 or 30 - unless it can get to 13 or 14, it will still place people in the same places.


That's a reasoning fail. The Top 14 is important because it is made up of schools that have national reach. A school doesn't suddenly have national reach because it is all of a sudden one of the best 14 schools. It's not a magical threshold.


See: U Texas

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby tennisking88 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:42 pm

The T14 is the T14 because of the criteria set forth by USNWR - reputation, average LSAT/GPA, acc. rate, employment stats. It is not only because these schools have national reach that they are in the T14, it is also because they are in the T14 that they have national reach. Both are self re-enforcing. If Emory all of a sudden got a $40 million endowment to hire brilliant professors, and jack up their LSAT/GPA to rival UCLA or Texas, it could probably climb rank and develop very good national reach.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby 20130312 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:44 pm

tennisking88 wrote:If Emory all of a sudden got a $40 million endowment to hire brilliant professors, and jack up their LSAT/GPA to rival UCLA or Texas, it could probably climb rank and develop very good national reach.


Right. Like UCLA and Texas.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby 071816 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:46 pm

tennisking88 wrote:The T14 is the T14 because of the criteria set forth by USNWR - reputation, average LSAT/GPA, acc. rate, employment stats. It is not only because these schools have national reach that they are in the T14, it is also because they are in the T14 that they have national reach. Both are self re-enforcing. If Emory all of a sudden got a $40 million endowment to hire brilliant professors, and jack up their LSAT/GPA to rival UCLA or Texas, it could probably climb rank and develop very good national reach.


These schools don't even have very good national reach.

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Postby bernaldiaz » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:56 pm

tennisking88 wrote:The T14 is the T14 because of the criteria set forth by USNWR - reputation, average LSAT/GPA, acc. rate, employment stats. It is not only because these schools have national reach that they are in the T14, it is also because they are in the T14 that they have national reach. Both are self re-enforcing. If Emory all of a sudden got a $40 million endowment to hire brilliant professors, and jack up their LSAT/GPA to rival UCLA or Texas, it could probably climb rank and develop very good national reach.


UCLA and Texas are shitty examples of schools with national reach.
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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby tennisking88 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:58 pm

Didn't say UCLA/UT were beacons of national reach, just that if Emory's rank rose due to factors mentioned above, it could gain national reach outside the SE region. All I'm sayin'

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby 071816 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:00 pm

tennisking88 wrote:Didn't say UCLA/UT were beacons of national reach, just that if Emory's rank rose due to factors mentioned above, it could gain national reach outside the SE region. All I'm sayin'


Doubtful.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Transferthrowaway » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:00 pm

tennisking88 wrote:Didn't say UCLA/UT were beacons of national reach, just that if Emory's rank rose due to factors mentioned above, it could gain national reach outside the SE region. All I'm sayin'


Bro Emory places like all of their class into NYC BIGLAW. They're basically like Fordham, but located in Atlanta.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Grizz » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:02 pm

tennisking88 wrote:It is not only because these schools have national reach that they are in the T14, it is also because they are in the T14 that they have national reach.

Ask most attys. who are in charge of hiring what the T14 is. I dare you.

Even T14 are regional, and ITE even from a T14 good luck trying to get a job in a place you don't have ties (absent NYC).

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby tennisking88 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:08 pm

Grizz wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:It is not only because these schools have national reach that they are in the T14, it is also because they are in the T14 that they have national reach.

Ask most attys. who are in charge of hiring what the T14 is. I dare you.

Even T14 are regional, and ITE even from a T14 good luck trying to get a job in a place you don't have ties (absent NYC).


Good point. I'm not disagreeing with any of you, just spitballin'

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Renzo » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:11 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:
PrincetonLaw wrote:
chimp wrote:Doesn't matter.


care to elaborate?


Schools ranked outside the T14 are mostly regional. This is why it makes no difference whether Emory is 20 or 30 - unless it can get to 13 or 14, it will still place people in the same places.


That's a reasoning fail. The Top 14 is important because it is made up of schools that have national reach. A school doesn't suddenly have national reach because it is all of a sudden one of the best 14 schools. It's not a magical threshold.


Also a reasoning fail. The only way a school would displace another from the "top 14" is by establishing a nationwide reputation for itself.


And, as an aside, people who argue about arguing and use phrases like "reasoning fail" are douches.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby WSJ_Law » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:27 pm

Transferthrowaway wrote:
tennisking88 wrote:Didn't say UCLA/UT were beacons of national reach, just that if Emory's rank rose due to factors mentioned above, it could gain national reach outside the SE region. All I'm sayin'


Bro Emory places like all of their class into NYC BIGLAW. They're basically like Fordham, but located in Atlanta.


180 trolling tyft

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby bernaldiaz » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:35 pm

That's a reasoning fail. The Top 14 is important because it is made up of schools that have national reach. A school doesn't suddenly have national reach because it is all of a sudden one of the best 14 schools. It's not a magical threshold.


Also a reasoning fail. The only way a school would displace another from the "top 14" is by establishing a nationwide reputation for itself.


And, as an aside, people who argue about arguing and use phrases like "reasoning fail" are douches.[/quote]

No. Just dumb.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Sandro » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:00 am

What about a self reinforcing death cycle. Cost/no jobs/rankings drop/falling/barely keeping medians. hmmmmm

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby Stanford4Me » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:08 am

I can think of at least one reason.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby traehekat » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:37 am

As a general rule, rankings matter, but fluctuations do not.

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Re: Emory's falling in the ranks

Postby john1990 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:33 pm

PrincetonLaw wrote:Curious if anyone has any knowledge as to why Emory has fallen in the rankings in the last few years.

20>22>30


This year the rankings are based more on job statistics (employment rate, pay distribution...) Its believed that Emory couldn't hang with the competition, which is hard to believe since Iowa was not affected :?
Either way, schools below the T14 fluctuate and i doubt any school in the T1 like Emory is about to drop much more than Emory already has. The trend is unlikely to continue into next years rankings




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