t15orbust wrote:We need some sort of metric to make fine distinctions between the top schools.
How selective firms are at specific schools in terms of class rank.
It's actually really interesting to look at how far down some biglaw firms will dip down into a specific class's ranking as compared to the level at a different school. OCSs usually pass around that info to the students at their school with strict instructions not to share, but they get out anyway and people are swapping them behind the scenes with other people at different schools. The most in-depth data I have is from one of CCN and one of MVP. It's pretty wild to see how one firm will routinely hire from median at the MVP, but will want to typically hire around top third at the CCN (even though there are a number of firms that will typically not touch anybody below, say, top quarter at the MVP, but will be quite willing to take some people below median at the CCN).
Also, re: Michigan as third. I remember reading a book or an article or something about how it was clearly HYM at the top, at least during part of the '70s. Will try to find (maybe after finals are done).
That's the type of information I think would be most useful, but as it stands, we only have the metrics that USNWR and other publications use to try to infer this type of data.
I think a lot of people are mistaking my title to mean "T14s on the rise in numbers on USNWR." I think that the discussion will inevitably involve a discussion of their methodology, but I'm more interested in exactly the type of things posters already in LS are telling us to look for: Placement, amount of firms that are willing to dip lower compared to peer institutions, national placement, effects of federal budget cuts, etc. Everything else is information that personal research can answer.
I think it's perfectly legitimate to think that the rankings are flawed, but for many of us applying this semester, especially those looking at public schools like Mich, Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, etc., these rankings, talking with others already expereienced in these things and inferring this info. is all that can be done, besides going through all of the steps IAFG outlined. Again though, I guess I just want to stress that I meant T14s in a "substantive" rise rather than simply a numerical one achieved through gaming the system (not that any of the T14s are that guilty of this as far as I'm aware).
Thanks again for all the advice from the older heads up here.