Sorry, I forgot this thread was srs bsns and not just a place where people were trolling for their own schools.funkyturds wrote:as shown by that mature post.Bildungsroman wrote:I guess CCN student bodies are mostly comprised of people who are mature enough to handle real grades.DoubleChecks wrote: Personally, I can't imagine I would have had as chill of a 1L yr at CCN w/ traditional grades.
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I don't disagree. My point is that the rise of behavioral economics won't necessarily hurt U Chicago.rayiner wrote:So in the 1960s, prior to the rise of the law and economics movement, you probably would've listed the top 5 schools as Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Stanford and Michigan, with Chicago just outside that group. Law and economics made U Chicago a legitimate competitor with Harvard and Yale, but that movement is on its way out.funkyturds wrote:massive anti-Chicago trolling...you assume the rise of behavioral law and economics is going to wipe away Chicago's academic prestige even though we've got guys like Thaler here?rayiner wrote:
I'll come out and say it: U Chicago's law and economics shtick is so last-century it's not even funny. Now that we know neo-classical economics is basically just a bunch of gibberish, what latent academic prestige Chicago had will be quickly wiped away by the rise of behavioral law and economics.
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My bad...although, I have to say, the irony was not at all obvious in that post. (especially since I can imagine quite a few ppl at our school saying that kind of thing in earnest)Bildungsroman wrote:Sorry, I forgot this thread was srs bsns and not just a place where people were trolling for their own schools.funkyturds wrote:as shown by that mature post.Bildungsroman wrote:I guess CCN student bodies are mostly comprised of people who are mature enough to handle real grades.DoubleChecks wrote: Personally, I can't imagine I would have had as chill of a 1L yr at CCN w/ traditional grades.
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Ever read Brush with the Law?JamMasterJ wrote:just cause the people at Harvard are supergunnery and the place is not the greatest WRT QOL
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Since my post was based purely on anecdotal evidence, I really have no problem with what you're saying. Personally, I'd love to study law at Hahvahd, FWIW.DoubleChecks wrote:that's weird, because i got the exact opposite sentiment and virtually everyone i know agrees with me. maybe that has to do with our class yr (better economy) or maybe it has to do with HLS' class size (and a larger proportion of HLS students being on TLS) so that the same % of whiners are over-represented on here. maybe a combination of both since the handful that weren't happy at HLS that posted on TLS seemed to all be in the yrs above me.JamMasterJ wrote: only based on the general stigma I've heard from others on this site, but basically, getting a Harvard Law degree isn't the most pleasant experience
it could even have to do with the disproportionate amount of people at HLS that may feel entitled to something more (i know someone who was upset at the end of 1L yr that he was top 30%...he said he'd never been only top 30% before in his life lol). nothing wrong with that, just pointing out a possible difference in expectations too.
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read my most recent post. I never claimed any legitimate evidence.BiglawOrBust wrote:Ever read Brush with the Law?JamMasterJ wrote:just cause the people at Harvard are supergunnery and the place is not the greatest WRT QOL
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Well, to be sure, Brush with the Law is likewise anecdotal. But, by all means, do yourself a favor and check it out!JamMasterJ wrote:read my most recent post. I never claimed any legitimate evidence.BiglawOrBust wrote:Ever read Brush with the Law?JamMasterJ wrote:just cause the people at Harvard are supergunnery and the place is not the greatest WRT QOL
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2246 ... th_the_Law
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BiglawOrBust wrote:Well, to be sure, Brush with the Law is likewise anecdotal. But, by all means, do yourself a favor and check it out!JamMasterJ wrote:read my most recent post. I never claimed any legitimate evidence.BiglawOrBust wrote:Ever read Brush with the Law?JamMasterJ wrote:just cause the people at Harvard are supergunnery and the place is not the greatest WRT QOL
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2246 ... th_the_Law
hmmmmWhen Byrnes wasn't biking he was getting drunk and smoking crack. Finding himself when he discovered the right woman, Byrnes finally moved to Los Angeles during his third year and flew upstate only to take final exams.
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The guy who went to Harvard was funnier, IMO.
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I don't think it'll hurt it in the sense that it'll become a TTT, but I do think Chicago is a pretty academically conservative place and once L&E passes they'll slip back to being solidly behind H/Y (particularly with H's renewed emphasis on empiricism). If I had to put money on which school will catch the next academic wave I'd put it on NYU.funkyturds wrote:I don't disagree. My point is that the rise of behavioral economics won't necessarily hurt U Chicago.rayiner wrote:So in the 1960s, prior to the rise of the law and economics movement, you probably would've listed the top 5 schools as Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Stanford and Michigan, with Chicago just outside that group. Law and economics made U Chicago a legitimate competitor with Harvard and Yale, but that movement is on its way out.funkyturds wrote:massive anti-Chicago trolling...you assume the rise of behavioral law and economics is going to wipe away Chicago's academic prestige even though we've got guys like Thaler here?rayiner wrote:
I'll come out and say it: U Chicago's law and economics shtick is so last-century it's not even funny. Now that we know neo-classical economics is basically just a bunch of gibberish, what latent academic prestige Chicago had will be quickly wiped away by the rise of behavioral law and economics.
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This will make rigorous UChicago trolls' heads spin. (I do think there is something compelling about the sort of economic-cost-benefit-analysis-meets-humanism-meets-pragmatism school of thought going on at NYU; though of course I have no real basis for comparison, it always seemed to contrast with the "we study the capital-L Law" attitude of Columbia and Chicago.)rayiner wrote:If I had to put money on which school will catch the next academic wave I'd put it on NYU.
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I wouldn't ever seriously claim to have the upper hand in terms of maturity. I still get the urge to laugh in class when a professor mentions "duty" and I think he says "doody."funkyturds wrote:My bad...although, I have to say, the irony was not at all obvious in that post. (especially since I can imagine quite a few ppl at our school saying that kind of thing in earnest)Bildungsroman wrote: Sorry, I forgot this thread was srs bsns and not just a place where people were trolling for their own schools.
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Real grades are IMO one of the things that CCN do right. How can a system that creates incentives to coast by on intellectual laziness, without fully separating the wheat from the chaff, be good for anyone other than the lazy and the stupid? Not to mention that developing the ability to thrive in a competitive, winner-take-all system seems sort of crucial for litigators.
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You're argument presupposes that the "bottom" of the class is lazy and/or stupid. Not necessarily true.mrloblaw wrote:Real grades are IMO one of the things that CCN do right. How can a system that creates incentives to coast by on intellectual laziness, without fully separating the wheat from the chaff, be good for anyone other than the lazy and the stupid? Not to mention that developing the ability to thrive in a competitive, winner-take-all system seems sort of crucial for litigators.
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In comparison to the sample set, it is. There's going to be a few people even at HYS that are more thomas cooley material, but majored in basket weaving at the local community college and worked really hard at the LSAT, right? The set of all LSAT takers is a pretty big sample for crazy shit to start happening with.JamMasterJ wrote:You're argument presupposes that the "bottom" of the class is lazy and/or stupid. Not necessarily true.mrloblaw wrote:Real grades are IMO one of the things that CCN do right. How can a system that creates incentives to coast by on intellectual laziness, without fully separating the wheat from the chaff, be good for anyone other than the lazy and the stupid? Not to mention that developing the ability to thrive in a competitive, winner-take-all system seems sort of crucial for litigators.
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explain to me how these two statements are congruentmrloblaw wrote:In comparison to the sample set, it is. There's going to be a few people even at HYS that are more Thomas Cooley material, but majored in basket weaving at the local community college and worked really hard at the LSAT, right?JamMasterJ wrote:You're argument presupposes that the "bottom" of the class is lazy and/or stupid. Not necessarily true.mrloblaw wrote:Real grades are IMO one of the things that CCN do right. How can a system that creates incentives to coast by on intellectual laziness, without fully separating the wheat from the chaff, be good for anyone other than the lazy and the stupid? Not to mention that developing the ability to thrive in a competitive, winner-take-all system seems sort of crucial for litigators.
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explain to me how these two statements are congruent[/quote]JamMasterJ wrote: In comparison to the sample set, it is. There's going to be a few people even at HYS that are more Thomas Cooley material, but majored in basket weaving at the local community college and worked really hard at the LSAT, right?
I guess, to clarify, one of my biggest concerns (had I somehow got into Harvard) would be that the grading system wouldn't allow me to distinguish myself sufficiently for employers from the kids who got in via 4.3s from junk majors at TTT undergrads and whose sole accomplishment in life was pulling it together for one month of LSAT prep. If anything, that would be more stressful for me than real grades.
Is that just not a concern when "mediocre" means "settling" for 2nd Cir/STB instead of SCOTUS/Wachtell?
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Lol lol lol lol all the lol
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Translation: once the legal field realizes what they really want is drunken hipsters, NYU will rise to the top.dixiecupdrinking wrote:This will make rigorous UChicago trolls' heads spin. (I do think there is something compelling about the sort of economic-cost-benefit-analysis-meets-humanism-meets-pragmatism school of thought going on at NYU; though of course I have no real basis for comparison, it always seemed to contrast with the "we study the capital-L Law" attitude of Columbia and Chicago.)rayiner wrote:If I had to put money on which school will catch the next academic wave I'd put it on NYU.
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Well, I am SAing at DLA Piper's Bushwick office this summer.ahduth wrote:Translation: once the legal field realizes what they really want is drunken hipsters, NYU will rise to the top.dixiecupdrinking wrote:This will make rigorous UChicago trolls' heads spin. (I do think there is something compelling about the sort of economic-cost-benefit-analysis-meets-humanism-meets-pragmatism school of thought going on at NYU; though of course I have no real basis for comparison, it always seemed to contrast with the "we study the capital-L Law" attitude of Columbia and Chicago.)rayiner wrote:If I had to put money on which school will catch the next academic wave I'd put it on NYU.
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if you wanted that 'elite' status, like i said, extremes are still taken into account, and certain firms look for that (Wachtell, W&C, etc.). the rest, i mean, i guess if you personally wanted high grades (but not extremely high) to feel some weird triumph even if it led to no real practical results...im sorry?mrloblaw wrote: I guess, to clarify, one of my biggest concerns (had I somehow got into Harvard) would be that the grading system wouldn't allow me to distinguish myself sufficiently for employers from the kids who got in via 4.3s from junk majors at TTT undergrads and whose sole accomplishment in life was pulling it together for one month of LSAT prep. If anything, that would be more stressful for me than real grades.
Is that just not a concern when "mediocre" means "settling" for 2nd Cir/STB instead of SCOTUS/Wachtell?
lol surprisingly though, there arent that many super lazy people at HLS (though i am sure there are some) as the type that get in tend to not be able to shut 'it' down -- while there isn't some nasty competitive nature, many ppl do work hard regardless. now if your concern is for the type of people who happened to go to a TTT ugrad and got a high GPA (few TTT schools represented here it seems btw...) AND overcame their lazy life attitude and poor work ethic to somehow miraculously bust balls for the LSAT, then revert to their old self once they got in...then yeah, i guess those people got a rather sweet ride (until they get fired from their job ...unless of course they turn it back on again hahahaha).
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If what you're going for is incredulous, then I totally agree with this postDoubleChecks wrote:if you wanted that 'elite' status, like i said, extremes are still taken into account, and certain firms look for that (Wachtell, W&C, etc.). the rest, i mean, i guess if you personally wanted high grades (but not extremely high) to feel some weird triumph even if it led to no real practical results...im sorry?mrloblaw wrote: I guess, to clarify, one of my biggest concerns (had I somehow got into Harvard) would be that the grading system wouldn't allow me to distinguish myself sufficiently for employers from the kids who got in via 4.3s from junk majors at TTT undergrads and whose sole accomplishment in life was pulling it together for one month of LSAT prep. If anything, that would be more stressful for me than real grades.
Is that just not a concern when "mediocre" means "settling" for 2nd Cir/STB instead of SCOTUS/Wachtell?
lol surprisingly though, there arent that many super lazy people at HLS (though i am sure there are some) as the type that get in tend to not be able to shut 'it' down -- while there isn't some nasty competitive nature, many ppl do work hard regardless. now if your concern is for the type of people who happened to go to a TTT ugrad and got a high GPA (few TTT schools represented here it seems btw...) AND overcame their lazy life attitude and poor work ethic to somehow miraculously bust balls for the LSAT, then revert to their old self once they got in...then yeah, i guess those people got a rather sweet ride (until they get fired from their job ...unless of course they turn it back on again hahahaha).
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I find your post heartening, as it suggests that there is order in the universe and that, in fact, I am dumber and lazier than HYS kids. As to no practical results, I'm not sure how much better HYS is there than CCN, but I'm hating the results of being presumed median (transfer) here. I'd think a system where I can "stand out" as being top 30%, or top 40%, or whatever as opposed to median is more advantageous to a lot of kids than the huge median swath promoted by your grading system.DoubleChecks wrote:if you wanted that 'elite' status, like i said, extremes are still taken into account, and certain firms look for that (Wachtell, W&C, etc.). the rest, i mean, i guess if you personally wanted high grades (but not extremely high) to feel some weird triumph even if it led to no real practical results...im sorry?mrloblaw wrote: I guess, to clarify, one of my biggest concerns (had I somehow got into Harvard) would be that the grading system wouldn't allow me to distinguish myself sufficiently for employers from the kids who got in via 4.3s from junk majors at TTT undergrads and whose sole accomplishment in life was pulling it together for one month of LSAT prep. If anything, that would be more stressful for me than real grades.
Is that just not a concern when "mediocre" means "settling" for 2nd Cir/STB instead of SCOTUS/Wachtell?
lol surprisingly though, there arent that many super lazy people at HLS (though i am sure there are some) as the type that get in tend to not be able to shut 'it' down -- while there isn't some nasty competitive nature, many ppl do work hard regardless. now if your concern is for the type of people who happened to go to a TTT ugrad and got a high GPA (few TTT schools represented here it seems btw...) AND overcame their lazy life attitude and poor work ethic to somehow miraculously bust balls for the LSAT, then revert to their old self once they got in...then yeah, i guess those people got a rather sweet ride (until they get fired from their job ...unless of course they turn it back on again hahahaha).
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mrloblaw is trolling... right?
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Probably just drifting between irony, hyperbole, and actually saying what I mean tactlessly enough that it looks that way.IAFG wrote:mrloblaw is trolling... right?
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