Cornell vs. Yale?

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Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Mauve Dinosaur » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:03 pm

The catch is, Cornell is offering a 100% free ride including all expenses relating to lodging and food. Yale is offering admission at full sticker, or close to full sticker price. Where do you go?

NOTE: This is hypothetical, but relevant to my choice between two Canadian schools.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby ph14 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:04 pm

Mauve Dinosaur wrote:The catch is, Cornell is offering a 100% free ride including all expenses relating to lodging and food. Yale is offering admission at full sticker, or close to full sticker price. Where do you go?

NOTE: This is hypothetical, but relevant to my choice between two Canadian schools.


Yale.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby northwood » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:04 pm

name the canadian schools

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Geetar Man » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:04 pm

ph14 wrote:
Mauve Dinosaur wrote:The catch is, Cornell is offering a 100% free ride including all expenses relating to lodging and food. Yale is offering admission at full sticker, or close to full sticker price. Where do you go?

NOTE: This is hypothetical, but relevant to my choice between two Canadian schools.


Yale.

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Yale. Cornell's job prospects would be limited in comparison to Yale's.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby KMaine » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:05 pm

As one of Cornell's biggest supporters: Yale.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Mauve Dinosaur » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:06 pm

northwood wrote:name the canadian schools


University of Ottawa (Cornell) vs University of Toronto (Yale)

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby ben4847 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:07 pm

I dunno nothin about Canadian schools, but I'm doubting University of Toronto has the same cache as Yale.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby northwood » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:09 pm

Mauve Dinosaur wrote:
northwood wrote:name the canadian schools


University of Ottawa (Cornell) vs University of Toronto (Yale)



i dont know much about them.. but how drastic is the difference in employment? where do you want to live? take other factors into consideration other than prices... but if all else is pretty close, id go with ottawa

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby northwood » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:10 pm

as 200k is nothing to sniff at...

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Mauve Dinosaur » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:11 pm

ben4847 wrote:I dunno nothin about Canadian schools, but I'm doubting University of Toronto has the same cache as Yale.


Not internationally, but in Canada it pretty much does.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby bernaldiaz » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:15 pm

Awful hypothetical is awful

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Mauve Dinosaur » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:17 pm

northwood wrote:
Mauve Dinosaur wrote:
northwood wrote:name the canadian schools


University of Ottawa (Cornell) vs University of Toronto (Yale)



i dont know much about them.. but how drastic is the difference in employment? where do you want to live? take other factors into consideration other than prices... but if all else is pretty close, id go with ottawa


Ottawa is the worst school for employment in Canada while Toronto is the best. However, it's a very different picture than the States in terms or the difference between worst and best. Maybe 80-90% of Ottawa's graduating class will still get good jobs as lawyers as opposed to 100% in Toronto. I'm an Ottawa boy and all my family is there so all else being equal I'd rather live and be employed in Ottawa, I just hate to think I'm cutting myself short or limiting my opportunities.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Mauve Dinosaur » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:19 pm

northwood wrote:as 200k is nothing to sniff at...


More like 100k. Tuition is high, but not as batfuck insane as U.S. tuition.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby northwood » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:21 pm

what are your other debts?? if its just 100ki- toronto.. you have good ties to ottawa- and you can prolly go back there... if you have 100k of other debt... then ponder on that perhaps you shall

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby sach1282 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:27 pm


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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby spondee » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:31 pm

As a 0L, I would have said Yale easy; as a 3L, I'd seriously consider Cornell.

But the analogy's imperfect, so other information might help. You said 100K debt from Toronto? What kind of job do you want? Is your chance at it from Ottawa still 80–90%? How much will you make at that job? Post-tax? What would be your fall-back options if you fail to get the job you want? And any long-term goals that might be impacted by law school name?

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby NoleinNY » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:32 pm

Do you want Academia? Yale. Do you want to clerk? Yale. Everything else? Cornell.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby johansantana21 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:41 pm

I go to Cornell and I would say Yale is the clear winner here.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby JamMasterJ » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:43 pm

Toronto =/= Yale

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Veyron » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:43 pm

There are no Canadian law schools where this would be an appropriate analogy. Legal education costs less in Canada, biglaw pays less and, in spite of your recent articling crisis, law school graduates are A LOT more likely to find gainful employment no matter which school they attend.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:47 pm

Toronto.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby kaiser » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:49 pm

No hypotheticals. Ask real questions with real possibilities.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Kring345 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:54 pm

Mauve Dinosaur wrote:Tuition is high, but not as batfuck insane as U.S. tuition.

Made me lol

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:11 pm

A better analogy might be Minnesota versus Columbia, rather than Cornell versus Yale.

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Re: Cornell vs. Yale?

Postby Noval » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:21 pm

I live in Canada and i know what's going on in it's market, so heres my two cents,

Right now, the situation at Ottawa is getting serious, especially with Lakehead now opening in Ontario.
In 2010, 30% of the students there didn't find an articling position(So they were stuck going with Government or moved straight to toronto to find a gig somewhere).
I won't say that Ottawa is a bad school, it is definitely not, but keep in mind that your grades will matter a lot and that if you don't meet the median, you'll be VERY limited for employment options.
BigLaw placement is also very good (Don't believe those saying that it's only for UofT, Oz, McGill grads), in fact, anyone with good grades has a shot for Biglaw at this school, so open your books and don't fuck this up if that's what you really want.
If Government work is your thing, then this school isfor you.

Now we're at UofT, which by all means, is very over rated all over Canada. The "prestige" of their J.D. may be "great", but the ONLY place this degree REALLY shines at is BigLaw placement. If Bay St is what you want, go for UofT, other than that, paying sticker at this school is not a good idea. That's not an opinion, that's a fucking fact, you got to be a real clown to get out with 80-120k debts, have to deal with 60-70k/year gigs in a place like Toronto and actually enjoy it. Even for Boston/NYC placement, only the top-10% has a shot for these jobs, so don't freak out. Believe it or not, there's still many students graduating with no articling positions out of this school, which confirms my initial claim that grades WILL make your future.

For anything else, (Government work, supreme court clerkships, academia, in-house, etc...), both schools are pretty much on par. If working outside of Canada is what you're looking for, then go for McGill, it's the only Canadian University that has made itself a good standing name in Europe and Asia.
If working in the U.S. is your goal, do yourself a favor and get into a U.S. Law School, you'll save yourself from lots of trouble.


Version for the ADD kids among us: Both schools are great, but please, for the love of fucking god, don't go to UofT if BigLaw is NOT your goal. Either way, your grades will make or break you.




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