Michigan Summer Start Medians Forum

[mattbarnes123]

Does anyone know if the UM SS medians are roughly equal to their RD fall starting counterparts? I couldn't find this info anywhere, but I suspect the SS medians would be lower than the fall start medians b/c SS is comprised of a plurality of EDers (which have a statistically lower #s vis-a-vis RD, generally) and deferred students (which I'm guessing would be lowerish too b/c (1) fewer Darrow peeps would defer--im guessing--and (2)canyou even defer merit schollys? If not, that would lend credence to the theory that defered doods would have lower #s as well. Is this reasoning off base? tyia, TLS!

[AreJay711]

Potentially, but then again maybe the admissions office seeks to balance out the ED population with RD people with higher stats. Also, if they wanted to, ED medians might not be significantly lower with the admittance of a greater number of splitters and reverse splitters. I don't have any reason to think that happens but it could.

[mattbarnes123]

Hmm. Both good points. I was just curious.

[03121202698008]

Also, Dean Z has stated that you get no boost for apply ED. And, from the ones I've talked to their numbers actually seem to be higher...they can be gunnerific due to the disproportionate number of straight from UG.

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[splitster1221]

Anecdotally I am a splitter admitted to summer session. My gut instinct was that they admitted me to summer start because I was a splitter. Splitticrimination.

What were your numbers?

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[HeavenWood]

177/3.2 URM, maybe that last part influenced things. i prefer not to think about it.

With that combination, they just didn't know what else to do with you.

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[niceopposum]

Also, Dean Z has stated that you get no boost for apply ED. And, from the ones I've talked to their numbers actually seem to be higher...they can be gunnerific due to the disproportionate number of straight from UG.

no, she didn't, stop saying she did. i quoted her blog to you in another thread that states roughly: it helps at the margins, but can't work miracles.

[03121202698008]

Also, Dean Z has stated that you get no boost for apply ED. And, from the ones I've talked to their numbers actually seem to be higher...they can be gunnerific due to the disproportionate number of straight from UG.

no, she didn't, stop saying she did. i quoted her blog to you in another thread that states roughly: it helps at the margins, but can't work miracles.

Or, perhaps since I go to Michigan I've heard her say this in person? Also, the part where she makes that statement she is talking about how other schools treat ED. Taken in context of the whole post, it's clear she's not a fan.

[niceopposum]

Also, Dean Z has stated that you get no boost for apply ED. And, from the ones I've talked to their numbers actually seem to be higher...they can be gunnerific due to the disproportionate number of straight from UG.

no, she didn't, stop saying she did. i quoted her blog to you in another thread that states roughly: it helps at the margins, but can't work miracles.

Or, perhaps since I go to Michigan I've heard her say this in person? Also, the part where she makes that statement she is talking about how other schools treat ED. Taken in context of the whole post, it's clear she's not a fan.

while i appreciate that you may have spoken to dean z on this subject directly, it is impossible for me to verify. it does seem you were right about that quote, but dean z states later in the same post: "I’m not thumbs-down on early-decision programs across the board." however the bolded is probably the best assessment, and a far fairer appraisal than your hasty generalization.

[gdh]

First, I'll disclose that I'm a summer start for 2012.

I'm not sure about medians, but the part of the materials sent to me that stands out is that it is a way for people with prior work experience to ease back into the academic arena. Additionally, it is a good way for those who want to pursue a dual degree (which I will do with Ross), to potentially finish in 3 years instead of 4. Last, I am hopefully making less now than I will following graduation so the extra semester opened up on the back end has real financial implications.

[thelawyler]

Well I'm not sure why the medians for summer vs fall matter? It all gets reported together, right? I'm guessing you're trying to feel out if it'd be easier to beat the curve?

[Geneva]

what does it mean to be a reverse splitter?

[CanadianWolf]

"Reverse Splitter" = GPA above a particular law school's 75% & an LSAT score below that school's 25%.

[BuckinghamB]

Regarding the ED benefit discussion...FWIW, I was told in person from one of the assistant deans of admissions that at the margins, an ED "absolutely gives you a thumb on the scale". Also, see the link in the following quote:

There is no benefit to Ed'ing Michigan. Dean Z has publicly said she thinks the practice is ridiculous. Also, our EDs start in the summer...just an FYI.

http://lawschoolinteractive.com/applyin ... admission/

Dean Z begins talking about the ED around 3:44 of the podcast.

Based on the podcast in the above link, Dean Z says, an "extra edge" is given to the ED. Also, one of the assistant directors of admissions told me that it gives you a "thumb on the scale". Of course, this probably only applies to candidates at the margins (i.e. meeting or exceeding at least one median, and if you're below one median, not too far away from it). If you're substantially below one or both of the medians, though, then I'm sure the ED is not a difference maker.