IU v. UIUC Forum

[biglaw$]

+1 to Romo.

If you go to law school, have fun learning about what exactly chicken is.

+1

[northside]

To the point, I suppose, I don't see IU-B in this picture at all. I wouldn't personally go to UIUC, but I don't think they're toast in terms of hiring. If you go to IU, I'd plan on working in Indiana.

If you're wondering what sort of thing I'm looking for when asking this question, this serves as a great example. Thanks

[Gail]

IUB is definitely the weakest for the Midwest, but I'm just surprised that everyone thinks that they are that weak in Chicago.

Shame. Nothing can be perfect, I guess.

[northside]

IUB is definitely the weakest for the Midwest, but I'm just surprised that everyone thinks that they are that weak in Chicago.

Shame. Nothing can be perfect, I guess.

The strongest in the midwest being...? (Despite the obvious Uchicago and NU)

[Gail]

HYS?


But really. I don't know. I guess that the consensus is WUSTL and ND, but I expect those. Then I'm guessing everyone would say that IUB stands below all the other public midwestern schools as well. I'd still go if I got the 120k, I think. Because I'm scared to death of a year off, and I'd be ok making a low law salary if I don't have to worry about the debt.

[ahduth]

HYS?


But really. I don't know. I guess that the consensus is WUSTL and ND, but I expect those. Then I'm guessing everyone would say that IUB stands below all the other public midwestern schools as well. I'd still go if I got the 120k, I think. Because I'm scared to death of a year off, and I'd be ok making a low law salary if I don't have to worry about the debt.

The strongest in the Midwest are Northwestern, Chicago, and Michigan. Please assess the overall environment before ND hits the list.

[Gail]

HYS?


But really. I don't know. I guess that the consensus is WUSTL and ND, but I expect those. Then I'm guessing everyone would say that IUB stands below all the other public midwestern schools as well. I'd still go if I got the 120k, I think. Because I'm scared to death of a year off, and I'd be ok making a low law salary if I don't have to worry about the debt.

The strongest in the Midwest are Northwestern, Chicago, and Michigan. Please assess the overall environment before ND hits the list.

He said excluding NU and UChicago. I forgot Michigan. My mistake.

[moandersen]

+1 to Romo.

If you go to law school, have fun learning about what exactly chicken is.

+1

Im not sure whether I should be proud or embarrassed that I understand this reference....

To add something on topic: UIUC > IUB

[allamerican73]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation. Not a UofC or NU, but certainly better than any of the Chicago schools and on par with WUSTL and ND. Been that way for DECADES and not about to change. IUB is a fine school, too. Curious if the haters on this board bash Illinois and IUB, do they think it's worth going to any non T14 law schools?

[Ludo!]

I have no idea what romothesavior, a law student, is writing about concerning "international law". Also, I am not a law student. OP much of what the other 1Ls & OLs, & some 2Ls apparently, post are "echo chamber" posts that do not apply to your interests or to your situation.

P.S. Thanks for the PM. I agree !

Huh? I see you giving advice on here all the time about law school related stuff? You're seriously not even in law school?

[ahduth]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation. Not a UofC or NU, but certainly better than any of the Chicago schools and on par with WUSTL and ND. Been that way for DECADES and not about to change. IUB is a fine school, too. Curious if the haters on this board bash Illinois and IUB, do they think it's worth going to any non T14 law schools?

I'm with you on the UIUC front at least, I know administrative judges and various departmental lawyers who call that their alma mater. State of Illinois is filled with these folks.

And I agree on the reputation. Welcome to Illinois. Business as usual friends.

IUB I've never heard of however.

[20130312]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation. Not a UofC or NU, but certainly better than any of the Chicago schools and on par with WUSTL and ND. Been that way for DECADES and not about to change. IUB is a fine school, too. Curious if the haters on this board bash Illinois and IUB, do they think it's worth going to any non T14 law schools?

I'm with you on the UIUC front at least, I know administrative judges and various departmental lawyers who call that their alma mater. State of Illinois is filled with these folks.

And I agree on the reputation. Welcome to Illinois. Business as usual friends.

IUB I've never heard of however.

Only a T25 school, NBD.

[IAFG]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation.

Especially for hiring in Chicago. Chicagoans are almost proud of these kinds of scandals. It's hard for me to imagine that Chicago firms are going to be terribly influenced by this.

In fact, if U of I pulled a Cornell and held OCI in Chicago next year, I bet they'd have record Chi placement.

[Grizz]

IUB I've never heard of however.

Only a T25 school, NBD.

That places like Marquette.

[20130312]

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[Opie]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation.

Especially for hiring in Chicago. Chicagoans are almost proud of these kinds of scandals. It's hard for me to imagine that Chicago firms are going to be terribly influenced by this.

In fact, if U of I pulled a Cornell and held OCI in Chicago next year, I bet they'd have record Chi placement.

Haven't the last three IL governors all been indicted for something?

[IAFG]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation.

Especially for hiring in Chicago. Chicagoans are almost proud of these kinds of scandals. It's hard for me to imagine that Chicago firms are going to be terribly influenced by this.

In fact, if U of I pulled a Cornell and held OCI in Chicago next year, I bet they'd have record Chi placement.

Haven't the last three IL governors all been indicted for something?

I heard once you're more likely to end up in prison by becoming the Gov of IL than by murdering someone.

[WSJ_Law]

iu = ttt

[Opie]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation.

Especially for hiring in Chicago. Chicagoans are almost proud of these kinds of scandals. It's hard for me to imagine that Chicago firms are going to be terribly influenced by this.

In fact, if U of I pulled a Cornell and held OCI in Chicago next year, I bet they'd have record Chi placement.

Haven't the last three IL governors all been indicted for something?

I heard once you're more likely to end up in prison by becoming the Gov of IL than by murdering someone.

I think the math is there to support that. Even if you get caught murdering someone.

[omninode]

As a UofI alum, I'm disappointed in the "scandals" but have to laugh at the posters who think it's going to change the law school's reputation.

Especially for hiring in Chicago. Chicagoans are almost proud of these kinds of scandals. It's hard for me to imagine that Chicago firms are going to be terribly influenced by this.

In fact, if U of I pulled a Cornell and held OCI in Chicago next year, I bet they'd have record Chi placement.

Haven't the last three IL governors all been indicted for something?

I heard once you're more likely to end up in prison by becoming the Gov of IL than by murdering someone.

But you get to meet Oprah first, so that's cool.

[romothesavior]

IUB is definitely the weakest for the Midwest, but I'm just surprised that everyone thinks that they are that weak in Chicago.

Shame. Nothing can be perfect, I guess.

All the Midwest T25ish schools are weak in Chicago, save for UIUC (kind of). Pre-ITE, a decent chunk of the T25 students went to Chicago biglaw. It is very, very hard now.

I go to WUSTL and it is supposed to be our top market, but people aiming for Chicago got slaughtered this year. The problem is that most of our Chicago OCI firms are cream of the crop firms up there (Sidley, Jones Day, K&E, Skadden, etc.), so they can be very picky. The non-elite Chicago firms simply don't have big enough class sizes to absorb many of us T25 folks, especially when you're mass mailing a firm that gets thousands of apps for like 8-10 spots. And a surprising number of strong Chicago firms don't do OCI here. Winston Strawn is probably our strongest connection in Chicago (great alumni who actively try to hire our students), but they only take 20-25 SAs total ITE, so only like 3-4 usually from WUSTL.

Things are probably a little better at UIUC, and probably slightly better at ND, but in general going to a T25 is a bad decision if you are dead set on the Windy City.

[ahduth]

IUB is definitely the weakest for the Midwest, but I'm just surprised that everyone thinks that they are that weak in Chicago.

Shame. Nothing can be perfect, I guess.

All the Midwest T25ish schools are weak in Chicago, save for UIUC (kind of). Pre-ITE, a decent chunk of the T25 students went to Chicago biglaw. It is very, very hard now.

I go to WUSTL and it is supposed to be our top market, but people aiming for Chicago got slaughtered this year. The problem is that most of our Chicago OCI firms are cream of the crop firms up there (Sidley, Jones Day, K&E, Skadden, etc.), so they can be very picky. The non-elite Chicago firms simply don't have big enough class sizes to absorb many of us T25 folks, especially when you're mass mailing a firm that gets thousands of apps for like 8-10 spots. And a surprising number of strong Chicago firms don't do OCI here. Winston Strawn is probably our strongest connection in Chicago (great alumni who actively try to hire our students), but they only take 20-25 SAs total ITE, so only like 3-4 usually from WUSTL.

Things are probably a little better at UIUC, and probably slightly better at ND, but in general going to a T25 is a bad decision if you are dead set on the Windy City.

This. I'm just a 1L, but look, you're competing with the T6 + NU and Michigan. It's not NYC, there's not an unlimited number of jobs. I'm from NYU, and if you're an ND person looking for a Chicago job, I just took yours.

Gov't becomes a different story, because of the huge number of UIUC alums (again, at least afaik). But you better have ties - I have a couple judges who I might "call on." Illinois doesn't just have corruption, it runs on it - anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't lived there very long.

[Gail]

IUB is definitely the weakest for the Midwest, but I'm just surprised that everyone thinks that they are that weak in Chicago.

Shame. Nothing can be perfect, I guess.

All the Midwest T25ish schools are weak in Chicago, save for UIUC (kind of). Pre-ITE, a decent chunk of the T25 students went to Chicago biglaw. It is very, very hard now.

I go to WUSTL and it is supposed to be our top market, but people aiming for Chicago got slaughtered this year. The problem is that most of our Chicago OCI firms are cream of the crop firms up there (Sidley, Jones Day, K&E, Skadden, etc.), so they can be very picky. The non-elite Chicago firms simply don't have big enough class sizes to absorb many of us T25 folks, especially when you're mass mailing a firm that gets thousands of apps for like 8-10 spots. And a surprising number of strong Chicago firms don't do OCI here. Winston Strawn is probably our strongest connection in Chicago (great alumni who actively try to hire our students), but they only take 20-25 SAs total ITE, so only like 3-4 usually from WUSTL.

Things are probably a little better at UIUC, and probably slightly better at ND, but in general going to a T25 is a bad decision if you are dead set on the Windy City.

I imagine this should lead people to prefer IUB at 120k over UIUC with maybe 45k or sticker. UIUC gives you better chances in a bloodbath for Chicago biglaw, but if its as bad as you say, why bother? Why not minimize debt and enjoy a career instead?

[CanadianWolf]

@Ludovico Technique: Yes, I am not in law school. Seriously. But I bet that you'll figure it out.

[romothesavior]

I imagine this should lead people to prefer IUB at 120k over UIUC with maybe 45k or sticker. UIUC gives you better chances in a bloodbath for Chicago biglaw, but if its as bad as you say, why bother? Why not minimize debt and enjoy a career instead?

If those are the numbers, then yeah you should probably do that. But if the numbers are closer, or you are an Illinois resident, I'd probably say take UIUC. All things being equal. Illinois is the better school by quite a bit. And you also get locked in tuition at Illinois, which probably would save you a few grand.