T6 vs. Rest of T14

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T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby WhiteGuy5 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:49 pm

I'm surprised more people don't debate this. Is going to T6 with little scholarship (20K let's say) worth it when you have near-full rides from Michigan, Penn, Berkeley, Cornell, etc?

Assuming you want the option of going into BigLaw.

Any TLS sages wanna chime in?

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby Bosque » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:26 pm

WhiteGuy5 wrote:I'm surprised more people don't debate this.


Clearly you haven't been around very long.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby WhiteGuy5 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:31 pm

Bosque wrote:
WhiteGuy5 wrote:I'm surprised more people don't debate this.


Clearly you haven't been around very long.


Clearly you should stfu.

Just kidding<3


Edit: But no, seriously...stfu.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby WhiteGuy5 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:38 pm

But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:39 pm

WhiteGuy5 wrote:But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.


This forum is about way more than admissions. The employment threads are crucial for 2Ls doing OCI. And, much of the employment advice comes from graduates who still pop in to answer questions. Most 1Ls don't answer questions as they don't have time.

Out of the two of you, you are the one being a douchebag. As such, this 2L won't be answering YOUR question. HTH.
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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby TaipeiMort » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:41 pm

There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:41 pm

WhiteGuy5 wrote:But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.


Most ppl use the "view active topics" list.

Also: people are less likely to help when you come off as a douche.
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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby lawyerwannabe » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:41 pm

Would you rather have $160k debt at CCN where you still have a 20 - 40% chance of striking out or $75k debt at MVPDNC where you have a 40 - 50% of striking out?

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby Curious1 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:43 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.


Except for the lay prestige argument, all of this is very questionable/plain wrong.

But it goes: YHS>>>>>CC>N>>>>>>rest of T14

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby kaiser » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:44 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.


I think the bolded needs to be qualified a bit. I know lots of NYU people who got jobs all around the country, with many in CA, some Chicago, a good number of DC. I just don't think schools like Duke, UVA, or Cornell will carry quite as well nationally. Sure, its not quite the national cache that the 5 higher ranked schools have, but its national placement is likely still higher than a number of the schools below it in the rankings.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby lawyerwannabe » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:44 pm

Curious1 wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:There have been many threads on this.

General consensus is that NYU is no better than any other T14 school except for NYC biglaw.

In my opinion, Columbia is not different than Harvard for Biglaw.

For biglaw, Chicago is has an edge on Harvard because of its small class size, which makes students more of a commodity.

For lay prestige, HYS is way better than the rest of the T14 except Georgetown.

For academic prestige, CC are very close, if not the same as HYS.


Except for the lay prestige argument, all of this is very questionable/plain wrong.

But it goes: YHS>>>>>CC>N>>>>>>rest of T14


Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby Curious1 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:45 pm

Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.


Learn to use search function.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:47 pm

Curious1 wrote:
Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.


Learn to use search function.


There is not that big of a gap between CC, N, or MVP. Below median at Columbia isn't do that much better than below median from MVP, especially outside of NYC where MVP may do better.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby lawyerwannabe » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:48 pm

Curious1 wrote:
Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.


Learn to use search function.


LOL. Maybe you should so you can get a clearer picture.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby Curious1 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:49 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:
Curious1 wrote:
Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.


Learn to use search function.


LOL. Maybe you should so you can get a clearer picture.


Um ok. You feel free to turn down Columbia for Duke. Have fun with that.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:49 pm

Curious1 wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:
Curious1 wrote:
Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.


Learn to use search function.


LOL. Maybe you should so you can get a clearer picture.


Um ok. You feel free to turn down Columbia for Duke. Have fun with that.


Lots of people who want to work in the South or don't want NYC COA, do just that and do fine. Although I agree the gap is bigger towards the bottom of the T14.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby tennisking88 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:50 pm

Curious1 wrote:
Hey new guy. Show me some statistics that justify the big gap between CCN and the T14, especially N.


Learn to use search function.


"YHS>>>>>CC>N>>>>>>rest of T14" is bullshit. NYU is not more prestigious than Penn/Berkeley/Michigan/VA.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby lawyerwannabe » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:50 pm

$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige. I'd choose Duke.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby tennisking88 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:51 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige.


This. Unless you really want academia, I would take the money.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby lawyerwannabe » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:52 pm

Curioser: Do you want to say anything else in this thread so more people can disagree with it?

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby Curious1 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:52 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige. I'd choose Duke.


Please do.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby kaiser » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:54 pm

tennisking88 wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:$0 debt v. $210k debt? Marginal, if any, more lay prestige.


This. Unless you really want academia, I would take the money.


I know tons of people who choose lower T14 schools due to huge scholarships over T6 schools, even Harvard. I'm not sure what, aside from aspirations of academia or delusions of working at Wachtell, could outweigh such a huge reduction in debt (assuming it seriously is full tuition vs. full debt)

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby WhiteGuy5 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:56 pm

blowhard wrote:
WhiteGuy5 wrote:But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.


This forum is about way more than admissions. The employment threads are crucial for 2Ls doing OCI. And, much of the employment advice comes from graduates who still pop in to answer questions. Most 1Ls don't answer questions as they don't have time.

Out of the two of you, you are the one being a douchebag. As such, this 2L won't be answering YOUR question. HTH.


I understand that; I just don't think people who have been here longer should be touting that around like an accomplishment. There was no need to respond to what I said with a sarcastic comment. This is a legitimate thread, especially since people's views have changed as per the economy.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:58 pm

WhiteGuy5 wrote:
blowhard wrote:
WhiteGuy5 wrote:But speaking seriously, I searched briefly and did not find a thread devoted to this dichotomy specifically.

Also -- it IS weird to hang around a law school admissions forum once you're in law school, especially if it's your second year already. Stop being a douchebag just because you've been here for an unnecessarily long time. It is not an accomplishment.


This forum is about way more than admissions. The employment threads are crucial for 2Ls doing OCI. And, much of the employment advice comes from graduates who still pop in to answer questions. Most 1Ls don't answer questions as they don't have time.

Out of the two of you, you are the one being a douchebag. As such, this 2L won't be answering YOUR question. HTH.


I understand that; I just don't think people who have been here longer should be touting that around like an accomplishment. There was no need to respond to what I said with a sarcastic comment. This is a legitimate thread, especially since people's views have changed as per the economy.


His sarcasm had less to do with him being around a long time, and more to do with the fact this has been debated to death on a routine basis. Sometimes, near daily. There is no correct opinion and it by definition must rest on huge amounts of speculation. This thread therefore adds nothing to the debate.

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Re: T6 vs. Rest of T14

Postby Curious1 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:00 pm

I'm not saying there aren't perfectly valid reasons to choose a lower T-14 over HYSCC, but the difference exists, and you would be blind to ignore it. What you end up choosing depends on how much money you have and how debt-averse you are.

I'm a bit of a prestige whore so it's HYSCCN for me in that order, barring something truly outrageous like a Ruby at Chicago versus $0 at Harvard. If I had to count it numerically, I might say:

I MIGHT choose CC over HYS if they gave me full rides and HYS gave me nothing.

I WOULD choose N over CC if N gave me 50K more than CC.

I WOULD choose a lower T14 over N is they gave me a full ride and N gave me nothing. I would NOT choose a lower T14 over HYSCC for anything.

This is just me. You're free to do otherwise. There's no wrong choice here...all of these are great schools...It's like choosing between a Bentley and a Maserati.




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