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Boalt Tuition

Postby gravityrides0 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:49 am

I've been meaning to post something about this for awhile... I dunno why I haven't. But WHY is Berkeley so expensive for out-of-state students?? I've been looking into Boalt because it seems to be friendlier towards reverse splitters, but I am completely perplexed by the fact that, for out of state students, Boalt is $7,000 more than UCLA per year, and about $10,000 more than Stanford (obviously a better ranked, private school). This especially confuses me in light of the decrease in Boalt's rankings over the past few years.
Does anyone know why this is??

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Grizz » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:56 am

Because people will pay that much to go there.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Veyron » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:56 am

gravityrides0 wrote:I've been meaning to post something about this for awhile... I dunno why I haven't. But WHY is Berkeley so expensive for out-of-state students?? I've been looking into Boalt because it seems to be friendlier towards reverse splitters, but I am completely perplexed by the fact that, for out of state students, Boalt is $7,000 more than UCLA per year, and about $10,000 more than Stanford (obviously a better ranked, private school). This especially confuses me in light of the decrease in Boalt's rankings over the past few years.
Does anyone know why this is??


Funding cuts.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby ph14 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:58 am

gravityrides0 wrote:I've been meaning to post something about this for awhile... I dunno why I haven't. But WHY is Berkeley so expensive for out-of-state students?? I've been looking into Boalt because it seems to be friendlier towards reverse splitters, but I am completely perplexed by the fact that, for out of state students, Boalt is $7,000 more than UCLA per year, and about $10,000 more than Stanford (obviously a better ranked, private school). This especially confuses me in light of the decrease in Boalt's rankings over the past few years.
Does anyone know why this is??


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80 ... get_crisis

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby gravityrides0 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:01 pm

So why such a dramatic effect on Boalt and not UCLA?

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Flash » Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:18 pm

gravityrides0 wrote:So why such a dramatic effect on Boalt and not UCLA?

Because people will pay more to go to Berkeley than UCLA.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby ahduth » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:04 pm

Flash wrote:
gravityrides0 wrote:So why such a dramatic effect on Boalt and not UCLA?

Because people will pay more to go to Berkeley than UCLA.


Yeah. I passed on a flotilla of money at UCLA, and not enough money at Boalt. When Northern California offers you equal money as CLS/NYU... you follow the jobs.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Curious1 » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:06 pm

LOL a flotilla of money. That's up there with a desk of cheese-its and a hammock of cake.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby hangtransferloose » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:30 pm

gravityrides0 wrote:I've been meaning to post something about this for awhile... I dunno why I haven't. But WHY is Berkeley so expensive for out-of-state students?? I've been looking into Boalt because it seems to be friendlier towards reverse splitters, but I am completely perplexed by the fact that, for out of state students, Boalt is $7,000 more than UCLA per year, and about $10,000 more than Stanford (obviously a better ranked, private school). This especially confuses me in light of the decrease in Boalt's rankings over the past few years.
Does anyone know why this is??


Hippies are greedy.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby JCougar » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:22 pm

The state of California is broke and is desperately trying to claw at and capture any kind of cash they can find. Luckily for them, there's a throng of naive law school applicants ready to sign away their future. I'd stay away from any school at that price. Even Berkeley. I know a current 3L there that is $220K in debt and has no job in sight.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby minnbills » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:25 pm

JCougar wrote:The state of California is broke and is desperately trying to claw at and capture any kind of cash they can find. Luckily for them, there's a throng of naive law school applicants ready to sign away their future. I'd stay away from any school at that price. Even Berkeley. I know a current 3L there that is $220K in debt and has no job in sight.


1. Funding cuts, not the state being greedy
2. 220k is worth it at several schools

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby lrslayer » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:30 pm

im in the cali school system and can attest to what others have said on budget cuts. our tuition keeps going up while quality goes down. its sad.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Curious1 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:32 pm

lrslayer wrote:im in the cali school system and can attest to what others have said on budget cuts. our tuition keeps going up while quality goes down. its sad.


Has a lot to do with Jerry Brown raping our beautiful state.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby minnbills » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:33 pm

Curious1 wrote:Has a lot to do with Jerry Brown raping our beautiful state.


/facepalm

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby JCougar » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:35 pm

minnbills wrote:
JCougar wrote:The state of California is broke and is desperately trying to claw at and capture any kind of cash they can find. Luckily for them, there's a throng of naive law school applicants ready to sign away their future. I'd stay away from any school at that price. Even Berkeley. I know a current 3L there that is $220K in debt and has no job in sight.


1. Funding cuts, not the state being greedy
2. 220k is worth it at several schools


1. Funding cuts explain the in-state tuition rising, but they don't explain why it's the most expensive school in the nation in regard to out-of-state tuition.
2. Fair enough. It's probably worth it for HYSCC. Nowhere else though.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Mavraides87 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:36 pm

Minnbills doesn't understand economics or why some things are cheap. He clamors for more student loans, more government intrusion in the market without realizing the government intrusion is the cause of high prices in the first place.

Berkeley is a fortune because of easy credit and people think it's worth it. No school is worth it at 80k/year.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby minnbills » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:37 pm

Mavraides87 wrote:Minnbills doesn't understand economics or why some things are cheap. He clamors for more student loans, more government intrusion in the market without realizing the government intrusion is the cause of high prices in the first place.

Berkeley is a fortune because of easy credit and people think it's worth it. No school is worth it at 80k/year.


Um, do I know you?

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby drdolittle » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:37 pm

Curious1 wrote:Has a lot to do with Jerry Brown raping our beautiful state.

Asinine, considering the issues in CA have been brewing for several years to decades now.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Mavraides87 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:39 pm

drdolittle wrote:
Curious1 wrote:Has a lot to do with Jerry Brown raping our beautiful state.

Asinine, considering the issues in CA have been brewing for several years to decades now.


Yes, the decades of socialism have taken a hefty toll on a once pristine place.

Jerry Brown is part of the problem and so is Minnbills, who can be found endorsing federal student loans.

If you don't have a lot of gold bullion do not attend Berkeley.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby JCougar » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:40 pm

Mavraides87 wrote:Minnbills doesn't understand economics or why some things are cheap. He clamors for more student loans, more government intrusion in the market without realizing the government intrusion is the cause of high prices in the first place.

Berkeley is a fortune because of easy credit and people think it's worth it. No school is worth it at 80k/year.


It's not government intrusion per se, it's just that student loans shouldn't be guaranteed, and should be dischargeable in bankruptcy. One bad policy ≠ government intrusion is bad.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby Mavraides87 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:42 pm

It is government intrusion.

Who else would fund some kid with a 166 to take out 240k in loans?

Nobody, so schools would be forced to reduce tuition in a freer market.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby minnbills » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:45 pm

Mavraides87 wrote:It is government intrusion.

Who else would fund some kid with a 166 to take out 240k in loans?

Nobody, so schools would be forced to reduce tuition in a freer market.


Student loans are incredibly profitable... they're non-dischargeable in bankruptcy so you're stuck with them for life.

It's a private lender's wet dream to give some kid (who has a whole lifetime of wage-earning to go) 200k because it is an incredibly safe bet.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby kwais » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:51 pm

hey guys, can I attach all of my 2 dimensional, knee-jerk political views to a complex situation too?

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby drdolittle » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:56 pm

Mavraides87 wrote:
drdolittle wrote:
Curious1 wrote:Has a lot to do with Jerry Brown raping our beautiful state.

Asinine, considering the issues in CA have been brewing for several years to decades now.

Yes, the decades of socialism have taken a hefty toll on a once pristine place.

Jerry Brown is part of the problem and so is Minnbills, who can be found endorsing federal student loans.

If you don't have a lot of gold bullion do not attend Berkeley.

Brown is no more or less the problem than the hapless CA politicians and citizens who've allowed the state to be run into the ground. If the problem were as easy to fix as switching out the gov, the Governator would've solved the issues, just like in the movies. Likewise, the fed loan programs are not the sole problem with law schools either. Sure, they're definitely an issue, but to suggest the private sector necessarily would've led to a different outcome of where we are now is to ignore the current recession, which is defined by irresponsible private lending and spending.

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Re: Boalt Tuition

Postby worldtraveler » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:17 pm

Lots of reasons. One of the biggest is that Berkeley is significantly expanding its LRAP program, making everyone pay more initially but lessening the burden on public interest grads. Another is state funding cuts. A third is they are really trying to hire new faculty, just built a giant addition on the school, and just generally improve the school in various ways. They are also apparently giving more need based grants now.

Finally, law school is just expensive almost anywhere. Why? People will pay it.




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