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Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:58 pm
by nygrl
I took the October LSAT and am currently waiting on my score, but I am expecting something in the mid 160s. I scored a 162 in June. My original plan was to attend a T-14 and do Biglaw but I doubt this will be a realistic option for me. I'd like some advice on options for T-25 or other Tier 1 graduates. (And yes I realize that if my score doesn't improve T-25 won't be an option for me either). It's my understanding that BU/BC/Fordham place about 20-30% in Biglaw and the rest of the class does doc review or temp work. First, is this really the case? Assuming the student has no major connections, are options really that limited for graduates?

Second, are there any specialties that are (at least somewhat) in demand right now?

Finally, I'd like to know the alternatives to working in NY. I've read that there is a decent demand for lawyers in Texas. Is this true? If so, are there any other markets like this? I'd prefer to stay in NY but my main priority is to be employed and I'd be willing to attend a school in one of these markets (if this exists).

I've read employment statistics and other threads on these topics but I haven't found anything that was able to answer the specific questions that I have. If these questions have been covered in other threads, I apologize (I am terrible at using the search function) and would appreciate it if the links could be provided.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:16 pm
by Tiago Splitter
GPA?

Don't go to school in Texas unless you are set on ending up there. If so, SMU is a decent option with their 75K scholly (if you score mid 160s.) If you really are flexible about where you end up, apply broadly and use scholarship offers as leverage. It's hard to say what will happen to you if you miss the Biglaw boat, but it will be a lot easier to deal with if you've limited your debt.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:47 pm
by cinephile
nygrl wrote: It's my understanding that BU/BC/Fordham place about 20-30% in Biglaw and the rest of the class does doc review or temp work. First, is this really the case?


No.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:49 pm
by 071816
nygrl wrote: It's my understanding that BU/BC/Fordham place about 20-30% in Biglaw and the rest of the class does doc review or temp work. First, is this really the case?


Where did you hear that?

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:53 pm
by MrPapagiorgio
chimp wrote:
nygrl wrote: It's my understanding that BU/BC/Fordham place about 20-30% in Biglaw and the rest of the class does doc review or temp work. First, is this really the case?


Where did you hear that?

Probably this guy

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:13 pm
by nygrl
Tiago Splitter - My GPA is a 3.81. Thanks for the recommendation on SMU, I'll look into.

I'm relieved to hear that my understanding of T-25 grads is incorrect. So what happens to those who miss out on Biglaw from these schools?

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:29 pm
by Grizz
nygrl wrote:Tiago Splitter - My GPA is a 3.81. Thanks for the recommendation on SMU, I'll look into.

I'm relieved to hear that my understanding of T-25 grads is incorrect. So what happens to those who miss out on Biglaw from these schools?


Midsize firms, small firms, local govt., federal govt., state or federal clerkship, some in-house, doc. review, unemployment. It varies too much to say.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:36 pm
by minnbills
Grizz wrote:
nygrl wrote:Tiago Splitter - My GPA is a 3.81. Thanks for the recommendation on SMU, I'll look into.

I'm relieved to hear that my understanding of T-25 grads is incorrect. So what happens to those who miss out on Biglaw from these schools?


Midsize firms, small firms, local govt., federal govt., state or federal clerkship, some in-house, doc. review, unemployment. It varies too much to say.


+1

There's no easy formula. http://www.lawschooltransparency.com can give you an idea.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:41 pm
by Veyron
Grizz wrote:
nygrl wrote:Tiago Splitter - My GPA is a 3.81. Thanks for the recommendation on SMU, I'll look into.

I'm relieved to hear that my understanding of T-25 grads is incorrect. So what happens to those who miss out on Biglaw from these schools?


Midsize firms, small firms, local govt., federal govt., state or federal clerkship, some in-house, doc. review, unemployment. It varies too much to say.


You got the order backwards.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:33 pm
by romothesavior
chimp wrote:
nygrl wrote: It's my understanding that BU/BC/Fordham place about 20-30% in Biglaw and the rest of the class does doc review or temp work. First, is this really the case?


Where did you hear that?

TLS common knowledge, brah. It's a simple logic equation:

If no biglaw ----> Contract attorney

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:37 pm
by paratactical
nygrl wrote:Tiago Splitter - My GPA is a 3.81. Thanks for the recommendation on SMU, I'll look into.

I'm relieved to hear that my understanding of T-25 grads is incorrect. So what happens to those who miss out on Biglaw from these schools?

It really depends on a lot of things, including market. What area are you from and what areas would you prefer to live and work in?

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:21 pm
by nygrl
Ideally I would want to do M&A work in NY, but since those positions are super competitive I'm trying to figure out other options for myself.

Thanks for the advice everyone! It's much appreciated.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:33 pm
by lawbanshee
LOL at non-Biglaw "options".

Do you think they'd staff these pathetic, low-wage doc review drone gigs as quickly/cheaply as they do if there were tons and tons of "midlaw" jobs paying 85 K and likewise tons of "save the children/whales/Gitmo detainees etc public interest jobs, plus the always super-easy-to-score governement gigs?

Let's take a quick gander at some NYC area "options" for non-Biglaw bound grads:

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and

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If you have 4+ years of specialized mortgage/foreclosure experience, you can get a whopping $33 an hour:

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Stay away from law school.

Re: Options for Tier 1 grads?

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:01 pm
by caputlupinum
lawbanshee wrote:LOL at non-Biglaw "options".

Do you think they'd staff these pathetic, low-wage doc review drone gigs as quickly/cheaply as they do if there were tons and tons of "midlaw" jobs paying 85 K and likewise tons of "save the children/whales/Gitmo detainees etc public interest jobs, plus the always super-easy-to-score governement gigs?

Let's take a quick gander at some NYC area "options" for non-Biglaw bound grads:

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and

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If you have 4+ years of specialized mortgage/foreclosure experience, you can get a whopping $33 an hour:

--LinkRemoved--

Stay away from law school.


lol @ summing up professional job search via craigslist.... you're a tool!!