What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby yngblkgifted » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:52 pm

Perdevise wrote:
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Transferthrowaway wrote:Female acquaintance: "Oh you go to law school? University of Chicago? That's cool, is that a good school? My one friend just got into Notre Dame, he is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO smart."

LOL, that sounds pretty standard


Sort of tangential, but I was asking this friend of mine who is from Chicago (the kind of friend who constantly mentions how superior everything in Chicago is to my town (which may be true)) what she thought of the University of Chicago, because I am super interested in its law school.
She kept saying, "You mean UI Chicago?"

"No, I mean the private school, you know, they practically invented modern economics? Its in Hyde Park?"

::blank stare::

She'd lived there her whole life and didn't know the school.


Wow.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby ahduth » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:57 pm

Perdevise wrote:
Corwin wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:Female acquaintance: "Oh you go to law school? University of Chicago? That's cool, is that a good school? My one friend just got into Notre Dame, he is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO smart."

LOL, that sounds pretty standard


Sort of tangential, but I was asking this friend of mine who is from Chicago (the kind of friend who constantly mentions how superior everything in Chicago is to my town (which may be true)) what she thought of the University of Chicago, because I am super interested in its law school.
She kept saying, "You mean UI Chicago?"

"No, I mean the private school, you know, they practically invented modern economics? Its in Hyde Park?"

::blank stare::

She'd lived there her whole life and didn't know the school.


Yeah, UIC pulls a lot more locals than U of C, which recruits nationally (for all programs). It's not that unusual for a Chicagoan to never have known someone who went there.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby flexityflex86 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:58 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:OP, why do you keep saying "I go to a T10"; aren't you a 0L?

them times is changing my friend.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby Lawquacious » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:01 pm

Harvard Yale Georgetown Columbia Berkeley Stanford UPenn Duke Cornell are some that come to mind for me, but I think that this really depends on the person and to some extent on the region (I had a writing professor who is also a prosecutor who seemed to have hardly heard of Cornell, but I also know an attorney in this region who seemed to think extremely highly of Cornell).

I actually think Chicago tends to have a fair amount of lay prestige because it is generally reputed as one of the best universities in the country in academia IMO, but I can see why some wouldn't know of it as a great law school if they weren't familiar with the general academic prestige indexes of major universities.

Although I think of Stanford as extremely prestigious in general, for some reason I didn't think they had a law school until I started researching schools, and then once I saw they had a law school I don't think that I was aware that it was one of the very best. I don't know if this is generally true, but for some reason Stanford Law (on very first impression pre-law school or research) wouldn't have sounded as prestigious to me as it rightfully is.

I didn't realize what a great school Michigan is for some time, but I think ppl in academia, as well as many lay people, know what a strong rep it has. UVA I think has very low lay prestige, in part because the rest of the University isn't tip top like the law school as far as I know. I think Vanderbilt has pretty decent lay prestige, but until I looked into law schools I personally wouldn't have thought of it as a particularly strong school (it could have been a T2 as far as I would have know). UCLA I thought of as fairly prestigious, although that probably had to do with the region I was in partly. If anything. UCLA's lay prestige probably outweighed how highly I think of their law school now. NYU is a school that I think has relatively low lay prestige, especially compared to Columbia. I've known for a long time that NYU has some top science-related programs, but for some reason I still have a hard time getting my head around the fact that it is a top 6 law school. I'm not at all saying it shouldn't be, I'm just saying that in my mind it well outranks its lay prestige.

Does it matter? I think in certain contexts--such as business--it might, but mainly I think prestige in the legal community is more important, because this is where the recruiting is generated. I also think many sophisticated clients will have some idea of what law schools are the best, in spite of lay prestige.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby Perdevise » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:05 pm

ahduth wrote:
Perdevise wrote:
Corwin wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:Female acquaintance: "Oh you go to law school? University of Chicago? That's cool, is that a good school? My one friend just got into Notre Dame, he is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO smart."

LOL, that sounds pretty standard


Sort of tangential, but I was asking this friend of mine who is from Chicago (the kind of friend who constantly mentions how superior everything in Chicago is to my town (which may be true)) what she thought of the University of Chicago, because I am super interested in its law school.
She kept saying, "You mean UI Chicago?"

"No, I mean the private school, you know, they practically invented modern economics? Its in Hyde Park?"

::blank stare::

She'd lived there her whole life and didn't know the school.


Yeah, UIC pulls a lot more locals than U of C, which recruits nationally (for all programs).

It's not that unusual for a Chicagoan to never have known someone who went there.



That makes sense, but she wasn't a (pre)law student. I feel like that is like living in Boston and not knowing Harvard is there (not pro-Chicago trolling, but I do really like the school).

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby NYC Law » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:10 pm

flexityflex86 wrote:
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flexityflex86 wrote:the best is when someone trying to be nice responds to your top 10, oh that's okay. you can transfer to the TTT if you do well.


Do you only associate with idiots?

i'm on planet earth - land of the idiots. the majority of the world is not TLS. most people in general couldn't get a 150 if they studied for the LSAT (151 is the median of wannabe attorneys). i have a lot of patience for stupidity. i come from stupidity, am surrounded by stupidity and am cool with it. my only issue is when stupidity thinks its smart - i.e. people saying "dude the universe is like...." or "c'mon i mean the media is lying." or "my boyfriend omg is so smart. he goes to fordham. he's like a genius."


Egregious anti-Fordham trolling.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby yngblkgifted » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:31 pm

Lawquacious wrote:Harvard Yale Georgetown Columbia Berkeley Stanford UPenn Duke Cornell are some that come to mind for me, but I think that this really depends on the person and to some extent on the region (I had a writing professor who is also a prosecutor who seemed to have hardly heard of Cornell, but I also know an attorney in this region who seemed to think extremely highly of Cornell).

I actually think Chicago tends to have a fair amount of lay prestige because it is generally reputed as one of the best universities in the country in academia IMO, but I can see why some wouldn't know of it as a great law school if they weren't familiar with the general academic prestige indexes of major universities.

Although I think of Stanford as extremely prestigious in general, for some reason I didn't think they had a law school until I started researching schools, and then once I saw they had a law school I don't think that I was aware that it was one of the very best. I don't know if this is generally true, but for some reason Stanford Law (on very first impression pre-law school or research) wouldn't have sounded as prestigious to me as it rightfully is.

I didn't realize what a great school Michigan is for some time, but I think ppl in academia, as well as many lay people, know what a strong rep it has. UVA I think has very low lay prestige, in part because the rest of the University isn't tip top like the law school as far as I know. I think Vanderbilt has pretty decent lay prestige, but until I looked into law schools I personally wouldn't have thought of it as a particularly strong school (it could have been a T2 as far as I would have know). UCLA I thought of as fairly prestigious, although that probably had to do with the region I was in partly. If anything. UCLA's lay prestige probably outweighed how highly I think of their law school now. NYU is a school that I think has relatively low lay prestige, especially compared to Columbia. I've known for a long time that NYU has some top science-related programs, but for some reason I still have a hard time getting my head around the fact that it is a top 6 law school. I'm not at all saying it shouldn't be, I'm just saying that in my mind it well outranks its lay prestige.

Does it matter? I think in certain contexts--such as business--it might, but mainly I think prestige in the legal community is more important, because this is where the recruiting is generated. I also think many sophisticated clients will have some idea of what law schools are the best, in spite of lay prestige.



You're assessment of the various schools' lay prestige makes sense in academic circles, or for reasonably educated people (went to relatively good undergrads). However, for your average person on the street, they have no idea UPenn or Chicago are good schools. Depending where they live, some people have never even heard of Berkeley.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby Exeter » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:37 pm

I feel like a new one of these threads pops up day after day.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby dr123 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:42 pm

WUSTL doesnt have lay prestige. No ones ever heard of that school

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby KMaine » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:52 pm

Stop asking this question.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby flexityflex86 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:53 pm

dr123 wrote:WUSTL doesnt have lay prestige. No ones ever heard of that school

I am not trying to troll BU, but a friend I have who is a prettt successful businessman especially for his age (36) didn't hire a BU law grad because it didn't have prestige to him, but brought on a Wustl grad because the name was more respected to him because oc the undergrad discrepancy. He is from Boston, and was surprised to learn they are peer schools/that BU is arguably harder to get into.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby Gecko of Doom » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:54 pm

dr123 wrote:WUSTL doesnt have lay prestige. No ones ever heard of that school

Depends on the region. In my corner of the Midwest, people think quite highly of it.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:56 pm

KMaine wrote:Stop asking this question.

If OP's ability to function socially on the internet is any indication of IRL, then the shallow affirmation of namedropping his school may be the only thing he has left. He needs to know exactly how much it's worth.

Also, WUSTL is practically unheard of outside the midwest, and Emory is practically unheard of even in the southeast.

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Postby bk1 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:00 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:OP, why do you keep saying "I go to a T10"; aren't you a 0L?


Dude, we're totally rising 1L's now.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby PDaddy » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:01 pm

flexityflex86 wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:Female acquaintance: "Oh you go to law school? University of Chicago? That's cool! Is it good? My one friend just got into Notre Dame, he is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO smart."

I've gotten this before.

Girls have literally assumed because I go to a top 10 I didn't get into the local regional, nd have talked about their friend who is soooooo smart. I have literally been told by a girl that I'm a pretty boy, but this friend is more of a lawyer type because he was smart enough to get into the TT I know I would've gotten a ride to if I applied to.


...as if "pretty boy" and "lawyer" cannot coexist...I hear you loud and clear. That's ignorant.

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Postby paulinaporizkova » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:02 pm

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statler and waldorf do not give a fuck

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby dr123 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:03 pm

Gecko of Doom wrote:
dr123 wrote:WUSTL doesnt have lay prestige. No ones ever heard of that school

Depends on the region. In my corner of the Midwest, people think quite highly of it.


if you talk about wasington university round these parts eveeryones gonna think you're talking about UDub

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby paulinaporizkova » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:04 pm

PDaddy wrote:
flexityflex86 wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:Female acquaintance: "Oh you go to law school? University of Chicago? That's cool! Is it good? My one friend just got into Notre Dame, he is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO smart."

I've gotten this before.

Girls have literally assumed because I go to a top 10 I didn't get into the local regional, nd have talked about their friend who is soooooo smart. I have literally been told by a girl that I'm a pretty boy, but this friend is more of a lawyer type because he was smart enough to get into the TT I know I would've gotten a ride to if I applied to.


...as if "pretty boy" and "lawyer" cannot coexist...I hear you loud and clear. That's ignorant.


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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby descartesb4thehorse » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:05 pm

Perdevise wrote:
Corwin wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:Female acquaintance: "Oh you go to law school? University of Chicago? That's cool, is that a good school? My one friend just got into Notre Dame, he is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO smart."

LOL, that sounds pretty standard


Sort of tangential, but I was asking this friend of mine who is from Chicago (the kind of friend who constantly mentions how superior everything in Chicago is to my town (which may be true)) what she thought of the University of Chicago, because I am super interested in its law school.
She kept saying, "You mean UI Chicago?"

"No, I mean the private school, you know, they practically invented modern economics? Its in Hyde Park?"

::blank stare::

She'd lived there her whole life and didn't know the school.


Get used to it.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby flexityflex86 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:06 pm

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
KMaine wrote:Stop asking this question.

If OP's ability to function socially on the internet is any indication of IRL, then the shallow affirmation of namedropping his school may be the only thing he has left. He needs to know exactly how much it's worth.

Also, WUSTL is practically unheard of outside the midwest, and Emory is practically unheard of even in the southeast.

This is the credited response - where I go to law school is what I invest all my self esteem in as I have no friends, am a virgin and weigh 420 pounds with a nose longer than the mississippi.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby Errzii » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:06 pm

flexityflex86 wrote:Why does anyone care about anything other than location, and employment?


I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who would attend a school solely on lay prestige while forgoing alternatives with better location and employment prospects.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby flexityflex86 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:08 pm

Errzii wrote:
flexityflex86 wrote:Why does anyone care about anything other than location, and employment?


I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who would attend a school solely on lay prestige while forgoing alternatives with better location and employment prospects.

This is why I don't understand paying over half for Notre Dame when WUSTL and UI: C exist. I know all my friends/family at 1 point early on said you turned down ND? They didn't get it.

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Re: What Schools Have Lay Prestige & Is It Important

Postby dr123 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:10 pm

Perdevise wrote:
Corwin wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:Female acquaintance: "Oh you go to law school? University of Chicago? That's cool, is that a good school? My one friend just got into Notre Dame, he is like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO smart."

LOL, that sounds pretty standard


Sort of tangential, but I was asking this friend of mine who is from Chicago (the kind of friend who constantly mentions how superior everything in Chicago is to my town (which may be true)) what she thought of the University of Chicago, because I am super interested in its law school.
She kept saying, "You mean UI Chicago?"

"No, I mean the private school, you know, they practically invented modern economics? Its in Hyde Park?"

::blank stare::

She'd lived there her whole life and didn't know the school.


Oh, so you're one of those douchebags.

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Postby Tanicius » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:13 pm

Girl in a group sat down at our table in a bar and started chatting with us. I ended up going home with her essentially because she thinks the Bay is awesome and wants to visit me sometime over the next year. I think I am okay with that happening.
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Postby bk1 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:14 pm

Tanicius wrote:Girl in a group sat down at our table in a bar and started chatting with us. I ended up going home with her essentially because she thinks the Bay is awesome and wants to visit me sometime over the next year. I think I am okay with that happening.

The Bay is awesome. That is a fact.




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