aldoleopold wrote:Your generic 0L entering UA has a 90% chance of not even being a serious candidate for interviews at the 3 firms that provide well over half of the summer associate positions in phoenix
This statistic is a complete fabrication. I mean, how do you calculate the percentage of a non-likelihood? I think the sizable donations that firms such as Lewis and Roca and Snell and Wilmer made to the College and their significant involvement in most social functions represents the fact that these firms realize that the Arizona law schools are their bread and butter when it comes to summer and entry-level associates. I do not quite see a torrential flow of T-14 grads into Arizona markets, and even if that was the case, an U of A grad will have a significant shot at being considered.
And, there are sizable imprints of grads in the Texas and California, as well as the Nevada markets once you factor in the overall small size of the college.
And yes, you do need to perform well to be considered for the more well-known firms in Phoenix and Tucson, but I doubt this person, or any applicant for that matter, attends law school without believing that they can perform at their respective school's highest-level Even, if grades preclude this person from obtaining a +100K position in Phoenix or Tucson, there are still a plethora of more middling, legal and quasi-legal jobs in Arizona that will more than cover loan payments when you factor in the low-cost of living in Tucson and portions of Phoenix.
The fact of the matter is, the U of A is an excellent REGIONAL school that will more than make you competitive in its region's legal markets as long as you have earned the grades to do so.
And let's face it, Arizonans, and most Westerners are very skeptical of Easterners with immaculate credentials. If you want a judgeship, political office or government work nothing will carry you as far as an Arizona or ASU JD.
To the bolded: that is what I am talking about. 80% of the class enters expecting to be in the 10% because they are going to work really hard. Is that a reasonable expectation?
I addressed the small law and 90k and less jobs. There are a stack of those.
Don't overrate the regionalism effect. ASU and UA JD's are more valuable in AZ than NYC, obviously, but a T14 candidate is also very strong here. They just have to put down roots and their credentials do help them. Firms want Yale, Harvard, Cornell, Michigan, etc on their website. It shows how prominent they are too. AZ supreme court makeup: Two UA grads (one of which went on to get an LLM from UVA), one ASU grad, one Yale, one Harvard. That is pretty typical.