FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Bill Cosby » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:23 am

You're right. It was foolish of me to think you'd at least have enough understanding to realize the size of the undergraduate alumni base is irrelevant to the law school. I gave you the benefit of the doubt because you mentioned firms in the same sentence. For those who want the relevant comparison, FSU Law's 7,800 alumni is small compared to UF Law's 16,000 alumni.

Also, learn to use the quote function.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:24 am

OP: Have you calculated the total cost-of-attendance (COA) for each law school ? Use in-state for the second & third years at FSU as the process is quite easy. Also, if feasible, visit both schools before deciding. Tulsa is a very religious, family values oriented city---even more so than much of the panhandle area of Florida. OKlahoma City less so. There are lots of OU law alumni in Texas.
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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:25 am

CanadianWolf wrote:OP: Have you calculated the total cost-of-attendance (COA) for each law school ? Use in-state for the second & third years at FSU as the process is quite easy. Also, if feasible, visit both schools before deciding. Tulsa is a very religious, family values oriented city---even more so than much of the panhandle area of Florida.

You're an idiot

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:26 am

What do you disagree with ?

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby GatorStudent » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:26 am

Bill Cosby wrote:As for residency, I never said the process is burdensome or unreasonable. It's just that there are a lot of steps, which makes it time consuming. It's not the sort of thing you can show up a week before orientation and complete.


Just to be clear, FL passed a law 2 years ago that made it harder to gain residency for in-state tuition purposes. They changed the burden of proof to a "clear and convincing standard," among other things. (Naturally, you can find the law online via a simple google search.)

OP, FSU isn't a bad school for FL, and you probably should pick a school based on where you would like to live after graduation. I'd venture that most would prefer FL over OK. At the same time, taking out over 100k in loans with the state of the legal economy as it is (please note that salaries for law school graduates was down 20% last year) is not a good option. I don't have any magical answers for you, but I would talk to FSU and others who have qualified under the new requirement (luckily for me, I got in under the older standard).

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Bill Cosby » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:28 am

I'm aware of the new standards. My comments on the matter are based on my discussions with officials at the school.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:29 am

CanadianWolf wrote:What do you disagree with ?

OU is in Norman, OK. I'm surprised you're cautioning the OP on what city to live in when you don't know what city the school is actually in

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:30 am

How many lawyer positions are in Norman ? Never referenced the location of OU, just where most OCI jobs are located.
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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby blerg » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:31 am

I haven't read all of these comments, but you should know that OK is a state that loves its own and it can be hard to break in.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby blerg » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:32 am

Flips88 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:What do you disagree with ?

OU is in Norman, OK. I'm surprised you're cautioning the OP on what city to live in when you don't know what city the school is actually in


Norman is a suburb of OKC.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:35 am

CanadianWolf wrote:How many lawyer positions are in Norman ? Never referenced the location of OU, just where most OCI jobs are located.

Some actually. Crowe Dunlevy, the biggest firm in OK, has an office there. So i'm guessing you're trying to say OP would most likely get a job in Tulsa if he went to OU. Norman is 20 miles south of Oklahoma City. Either way, you're making blanket statements about a state you know little to nothing about.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:39 am

At least I know that most attorney positions in Oklahoma are in Tulsa & Oklahoma City.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby taxguy » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:40 am

Bill Cosby, I'll say it again, I said that Florida , in my opinion, was preferable to FSU. Thus, having a larger alumni base was part of that! So what's your point? However, as for my mentioning the overall alumni base (and not just law school), having a large alumni base does have a lot of advantages. For example, if the OP wants a job with corporation in Florida or with the government, there are probably FSU alumni in management. Don't discount the large alumni base outside of the law school alumni. For someone that will be attending FSU, I am surprised that you are attacking my overall praise of FSU. I would think you would be a supporter.

Frankly, I am growing tired of fighting with you about this, I only took exception to your blatantly saying to ignore my advice, which was an ad hoc statement about all the advice mentioned in the post.
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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:45 am

CanadianWolf wrote:At least I know that most attorney positions in Oklahoma are in Tulsa & Oklahoma City.

I can guess most law jobs in Missouri are in St. Louis. It's not hard to assume that most jobs are in the state's largest cities. Derp.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Bill Cosby » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:52 am

taxguy wrote:Bill Cosby, I'll say it again, I said that Florida , in my opinion, was preferable to FSU. Thus, having a larger alumni base was part of that! So what's your point? However, as for my mentioning the overall alumni base (and not just law school), having a large alumni base does have a lot of advantages. For example, if the OP wants a job with corporation in Florida or with the government, there are probably FSU alumni in management. Don't discount the large alumni base outside of the law school alumni. For someone that will be attending FSU, I am surprised that you are attacking my overall praise of FSU. I would think you would be a supporter.

Frankly, I am growing tired of fighting with you about this, I only took exception to your blatantly saying to ignore my advice, which was an ad hoc statement about all the advice mentioned in the post.


I'm not attacking anyone. I want the OP to have accurate information, even if that information isn't exactly sunshine and rainbows.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Chippy » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:55 am

Never take out more debt than your expected first year starting salary out of law school. Pretend you are at median for this exercise. Take a look a LST rather than the crap the school publishes.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby blerg » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:57 am

Flips88 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:OP: Have you calculated the total cost-of-attendance (COA) for each law school ? Use in-state for the second & third years at FSU as the process is quite easy. Also, if feasible, visit both schools before deciding. Tulsa is a very religious, family values oriented city---even more so than much of the panhandle area of Florida.

You're an idiot


lol agreed. I grew up more atheist than most of my East coast friends and in Tulsa.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:00 am

Oral Roberts University is an indication.

P.S. If you two are both from Oklahoma, then OP should have his answer.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:01 am

CanadianWolf wrote:P.S. If you two are both from Oklahoma, then OP should have his answer.

:?:

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby albusdumbledore » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:03 am

blerg wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:OP: Have you calculated the total cost-of-attendance (COA) for each law school ? Use in-state for the second & third years at FSU as the process is quite easy. Also, if feasible, visit both schools before deciding. Tulsa is a very religious, family values oriented city---even more so than much of the panhandle area of Florida.

You're an idiot


lol agreed. I grew up more atheist than most of my East coast friends and in Tulsa.

For real. If anything, OKC is more "Oklahoma" in that regard than Tulsa is. The advice Flips gave about the energy companies is credited. I know a lot of people who make good money as landmen for those energy companies, and they start JDs with higher salaries. Also, Oral Roberts is not indicative of the whole state.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:04 am

Oral Roberts University is located in Tulsa.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:08 am

CanadianWolf wrote:Oral Roberts University is located in Tulsa.

Regent University is in Virginia Beach. Guess no one should ever live there either, right?

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:14 am

You're reading too much into my post. I never wrote or suggested that. I only pointed out that quality & that OP should visit.

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:16 am

CanadianWolf wrote:You're reading too much into my post. I never wrote or suggested that. I only pointed out that quality & that OP should visit.

Should visit Tulsa, a city 2 hours away from OU, because he may get a job there?

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Re: FSU (out of state sticker) vs Oklahoma ($$$)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:17 am

I wrote that he needs to visit the law school & noted that OKlahoma City & Tulsa are where most jobs are located.
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