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Joint degree: JD and MA in native american studies?

Postby RonPaulConservative » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:27 am

I'm thinking about getting a law degree while supplementing it with a M.A. in Native American studies. Does anyone have any information on schools that offer this type of joint degree or programs similar to this. I'm very interested in Native American advocacy and want to focus on going to schools with a Native American clinical program as well. If anyone has any information about the nature of these types of programs and the advantages that the dual degree might offer to someone pursuing it let me know, will be greatly appreciated.

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Postby descartesb4thehorse » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:49 am

RonPaulConservative wrote:I'm thinking about getting a law degree while supplementing it with a M.A. in Native American studies. Does anyone have any information on schools that offer this type of joint degree or programs similar to this. I'm very interested in Native American advocacy and want to focus on going to schools with a Native American clinical program as well. If anyone has any information about the nature of these types of programs and the advantages that the dual degree might offer to someone pursuing it let me know, will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
RPC


UNM has the best NA clinical program.

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Re: Joint degree: JD and MA in native american studies?

Postby aaaaaah » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:55 pm

UCLA has a dual degree program, and they also have Carole Goldberg: http://www.law.ucla.edu/faculty/all-fac ... dberg.aspx

I have no interest in Native American studies, but she blew me away at ASD.

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Postby bdubs » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:57 pm

I find your username and interests to be an odd combination.

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Postby cinephile » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:00 pm

Check out Lewis & Clark and UW as well for concentrations in Native American law. I don't know about clinics.

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Postby RonPaulConservative » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:44 pm

The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.

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Postby Verity » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:47 pm

RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.


Good for you.

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Postby WSJ_Law » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:13 pm

RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.


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Postby quixotical » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:43 am

RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.


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Postby kazu » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:45 am

I expect wonderful things of this thread.

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Re: Joint degree: JD and MA in native american studies?

Postby Flips88 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:04 am

OU has stuff for tribal law and a masters in NA studies.

but srsly, go jerk off to Ron Paul somewhere else

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Postby quixotical » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:51 am

RonPaulConservative wrote:To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.


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Postby bdubs » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:47 am

RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.


Chill out dude, I just said it was a weird combo.

Anyway, NA issues are plagued by large government bureaucracy which is why I figured anyone with a libertarian bent would be incredibly frustrated and reluctant to wade into that area. I don't know how becoming an attorney would help to change that, it's a political issue.

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Postby Verity » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:02 am

RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.


Do you understand the meaning of the word "sovereignty"?

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Re: Joint degree: JD and MA in native american studies?

Postby Visirale » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:15 pm

RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.

Oh wow this is golden. I'm sure the Native Americans will be scrambling to hire some privileged middle-class white boy to represent them. That just makes a ton of sense.

I don't think anyone here is caught in a moral or ideological haze, I just think you may have had way too much purple haze over the years.

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Postby vpintz » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:17 pm

Visirale wrote:
RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.

Oh wow this is golden. I'm sure the Native Americans will be scrambling to hire some privileged middle-class white boy to represent them. That just makes a ton of sense.

I don't think anyone here is caught in a moral or ideological haze, I just think you may have had way too much purple haze over the years.


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Re: Joint degree: JD and MA in native american studies?

Postby kwais » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:24 pm

RonPaulConservative wrote:The term Ron Paul conservative to me equates to someone who is bound to uphold and promote the constitution in every topic of political/social debate. For over 30 years Ron Paul has voted consistently in favor of the constitution and against big government. Big government is part of the reason Indian country continues to be in such a dreadful state. Big government has made the Indian people dependent on their government subsidies and hand outs to the point that tribes can't function with sovereignty over their own people because the government by way of special interest has infiltrated the Indians people mind and hooked them like a drug addict. Government bureacracy has done horrible things to keep the Indian people oppressed. Anyone who is in favor of the constitution realizes that every person has certain unalienable rights granted to him by the providence of an omnipotent divine entity. To say that my user tag and interest in academia don't match together is a contradiction of thought, and the expression of someone caught in a moral and ideological haze.


You should say more on this topic because you are smart and not at all creepy

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Postby Verity » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:31 pm

I don't get how NAs want sovereignty (i.e., complete independence and self-government), but can't do that because of these "handouts" you're talking about. How about not accepting "handouts" for a change?

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Re: Joint degree: JD and MA in native american studies?

Postby aldoleopold » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:39 pm

The University of Arizona has a joint-program in law and and Native American studies that is worth looking into. The school has many professors who are well-known advocates of indigenous rights and some have served as special reporters to the United Nations and other bodies that monitor the rights of indigenous peoples. Sorry to detract from the stimulating Ron Paul conversation but, here is the link: http://www.law.arizona.edu/depts/iplp/nalsa/welcome.cfm

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Postby Verity » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:41 pm

OP, if you wanna make it rain, go to Yale. Or do a rain dance.

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Re: Joint degree: JD and MA in native american studies?

Postby mbw » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:37 pm

RonPaulConservative wrote:I'm thinking about getting a law degree while supplementing it with a M.A. in Native American studies. Does anyone have any information on schools that offer this type of joint degree or programs similar to this. I'm very interested in Native American advocacy and want to focus on going to schools with a Native American clinical program as well. If anyone has any information about the nature of these types of programs and the advantages that the dual degree might offer to someone pursuing it let me know, will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
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Trying not to chuckle here as I post. Having an MA in Native American Studies will add nothing to your J.D. NAS has nothing to do with Federal Indian Law. If you're aiming to be a wannabe dilettante, then do your joint degree. If you want to be a tribal lawyer (or an anti-sovereignty lawyer,) then go to the highest ranked school that offers at least one Federal Indian Law course. Conversely, go to a lower-ranked school with a strong FIL program (Minnesota, New Mexico, Kansas, Arizona (U and St.).) But if you're truly a big-L libertarian, forget about FIL -- tribal sovereignty is ALL about government -- the US government, tribal government, fighting off state government, and not at all about "personal freedoms". You might find a job at some anti-sovereignty non-profit, but no self-respecting tribe would hire you as a RPC.

Edited to add: and, btw, we dealt with decades of the Ron Paul-style federal Indian policy you espouse -- it was called the Termination Period...

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Postby RonPaulConservative » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:44 am

Edited to add: and, btw, we dealt with decades of the Ron Paul-style federal Indian policy you espouse -- it was called the Termination Period...






One might call that Jacksonian policy. Anys power without empathy espouses manipulation. The NA in native american studies would simple add to my "felt life level."

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Postby mbw » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:37 am

RonPaulConservative wrote:Edited to add: and, btw, we dealt with decades of the Ron Paul-style federal Indian policy you espouse -- it was called the Termination Period...


One might call that Jacksonian policy. Anys power without empathy espouses manipulation. The NA in native american studies would simple add to my "felt life level."


You really don't know anything about American Indian history, do you? Jacksonian removal policies were genocidal, and had nothing to do with Termination Period policies put forth more than a century later.

James espoused actually engaging subjects, not merely reading about them in a book. You want to up your "felt life level"? Go live on the Rosebud for a year or two.

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Postby Samara » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:40 am

mbw wrote:
RonPaulConservative wrote:Edited to add: and, btw, we dealt with decades of the Ron Paul-style federal Indian policy you espouse -- it was called the Termination Period...


One might call that Jacksonian policy. Anys power without empathy espouses manipulation. The NA in native american studies would simple add to my "felt life level."


You really don't know anything about American Indian history, do you? Jacksonian removal policies were genocidal, and had nothing to do with Termination Period policies put forth more than a century later.

James espoused actually engaging subjects, not merely reading about them in a book. You want to up your "felt life level"? Go live on the Rosebud for a year or two.

I assume you're talking about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_termination_policy

If I understand this correctly, this is the topic of a, rather interesting, RC passage from PT9 (Oct 1993). Sounds like OP needs to catch up to those studying for the LSAT before pursuing an MA.




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