Help! UMich or reapply?

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Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:53 am

I need some advice. I was admitted to Michigan for the upcoming year with a small scholarship. I was thrilled about it - it was the best school that I was admitted to and I fell in love during ASW. Being the greedy bastard that I am, however, I decided to retake the June LSAT to try to increase my score and get more money from them. This is where it gets tricky. On my retake, I ended up scoring a 175, which I was completely shocked about. I sent this info to Michigan, and they increased my scholarship quite a bit - to $22,000/yr.

However, with a 175, I know I could get into better schools/perhaps even get more money from Mich if I were to reapply next year. But I'm debating whether it's worth the hassle of reapplying/if I'd notice much of a difference in my cycle/who knows what I would do for a year.

Any thoughts/advice/comments would be much appreciated.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby dc1s » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:57 am

GPA?

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:01 am

3.7

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby law4vus » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:01 am

flip wrote:3.7


Probably won't get HYS with the GPA (MAYBE Harvard). If you think CCN are worth taking a year off and reapplying, go for it. I love Mich though and I'd love to be in position to go there, but that's me. You have great options no matter what so I think it will just come down to personal preference.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:07 am

Definitely reapply. The worst you can do is increase your scholly offers at MVPDN.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby fingersxd » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:35 pm

HeavenWood wrote:Definitely reapply. The worst you can do is increase your scholly offers at MVPDN.


This is TCR.

If you have to go to school this year, 22k/yr at Michigan is great...but if you can wait, the extra yr. of work experience and opportunity to make/save some $ before school is a great option to have. With a 3.7/175, you should be a lock for one or more of CCN (likely with $) or MPVDN (with even more $).

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:42 pm

fingersxd wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:Definitely reapply. The worst you can do is increase your scholly offers at MVPDN.


This is TCR.

If you have to go to school this year, 22k/yr at Michigan is great...but if you can wait, the extra yr. of work experience and opportunity to make/save some $ before school is a great option to have. With a 3.7/175, you should be a lock for one or more of CCN (likely with $) or MPVDN (with even more $).


Logically, I know that's the way to go. I've just been set on Michigan since March and now everything is up in the air again. Now, if I were to back out from Michigan now, after putting down 2 deposits, would that add any sort of black mark on my LSAC account or anything/blacklist from being admitted to Michigan next year?

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby GMVarun » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:46 pm

Congrats on your score increase. I am a current Michigan student, and while I love Michigan, I would probably advise you to wait a year and reapply. I would email Dean Z explaining your situation (say that you retook lsat, still love Michigan, but need to do what's financially responsible, or something) and see if she can find you any money. You may also want to ask for a non-binding deferral. I think it's so late in the game though at this point you're better off waiting. I do not think you have to worry about a black mark - people change their mind all the time.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby AreJay711 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:50 pm

GMVarun wrote:Congrats on your score increase. I am a current Michigan student, and while I love Michigan, I would probably advise you to wait a year and reapply. I would email Dean Z explaining your situation (say that you retook lsat, still love Michigan, but need to do what's financially responsible, or something) and see if she can find you any money. You may also want to ask for a non-binding deferral. I think it's so late in the game though at this point you're better off waiting. I do not think you have to worry about a black mark - people change their mind all the time.

This. There is someone out there hoping to pay sticker so it isn't really hurting the school. With Michigan's policy of matching scholarships, the worst you can do is the same.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:01 pm

GMVarun wrote:Congrats on your score increase. I am a current Michigan student, and while I love Michigan, I would probably advise you to wait a year and reapply. I would email Dean Z explaining your situation (say that you retook lsat, still love Michigan, but need to do what's financially responsible, or something) and see if she can find you any money. You may also want to ask for a non-binding deferral. I think it's so late in the game though at this point you're better off waiting. I do not think you have to worry about a black mark - people change their mind all the time.


Is there a way to email Dean Z directly? Every correspondence I've received from her is just law.jd.admissions@umich.edu.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby bk1 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:03 pm

I mean I'm generally all with the retake/reapply crowd but I'm not seeing a significant advantage to reapplying on LSN. I'm seeing similar amounts of money to the lower T14 (60-70k) with a couple 90k schollies at UVA. I'm seeing 0-60k at NYU or 0-30k at CLS/UChi. Are people seeing something on LSN that I'm missing?

I mean as the people above are saying OP is not going to do worse and there is a definite chance of doing slightly better (more $ at UVa or similar money at NYU but NYU is more expensive). That being said, the extra money or better school is only really worth it if OP isn't losing out money now by floundering without a job.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:13 pm

bk1 wrote:I mean I'm generally all with the retake/reapply crowd but I'm not seeing a significant advantage to reapplying on LSN. I'm seeing similar amounts of money to the lower T14 (60-70k) with a couple 90k schollies at UVA. I'm seeing 0-60k at NYU or 0-30k at CLS/UChi. Are people seeing something on LSN that I'm missing?

I mean as the people above are saying OP is not going to do worse and there is a definite chance of doing slightly better (more $ at UVa or similar money at NYU but NYU is more expensive). That being said, the extra money or better school is only really worth it if OP isn't losing out money now by floundering without a job.


Well I guess a difference would be that this cycle I was WL'd at NYU and CLS and rejected at Chicago. So I should be able to get into those with maybe a shot at H/S? But, like I said, I'm really in love with Michigan, so I don't know if I'd choose to go to any of those over Mich, besides maybe Chicago.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby UCLAtransfer » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:21 pm

Do you have something you can do for the year off that will at least add something solid/worth it to your resume?

What are your career goals/where do you want to work?

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Postby bk1 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:22 pm

flip wrote:Well I guess a difference would be that this cycle I was WL'd at NYU and CLS and rejected at Chicago. So I should be able to get into those with maybe a shot at H/S? But, like I said, I'm really in love with Michigan, so I don't know if I'd choose to go to any of those over Mich, besides maybe Chicago.


According to LSN it looks like your GPA is too low for a shot at HYS, even with a 175 (unless you have some spectacular softs). I just don't see much of a reason to reapply here since it doesn't look like you have much of a chance for $ at Chicago. What you do seem like you might get is around 30-60k at CLS/NYU or a decent shot at 90k to another lower T14 like UVa, though if you wouldn't take that over 66k at Michigan then I just don't see reapplying as being that beneficial.

Are other people in this thread seeing different LSN stuff than I am?

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby GMVarun » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:30 pm

I actually skimmed the OP and did not realize you had already sent this information to Michigan. If they increased your scholarship to 22K, I am not sure you will necessarily get more money. You could always try for a nonbinding deferral and play out your options next year. I have no idea how people did at other schools. For Michigan it is pretty formulaic, so while 66K sounds about right for your numbers, I know friends who got a bit more too. I looked up her faculty page and Dean Z's listed email is the same as you provided, so just go with that. I guess it does really depend on if you want to take a better shot at HYS, and how much money you would trade 66K at M for at VPCCN. Keep in mind too that total cost Michigan all considered is cheaper than all of CCN so 66k is a pretty good deal.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:38 pm

UCLAtransfer wrote:Do you have something you can do for the year off that will at least add something solid/worth it to your resume?

What are your career goals/where do you want to work?


Yeah, I really don't know what I would do with a year off. There were some government fellowships I was thinking of doing before deciding to go to law school next year, but the deadlines for those have passed now that its so late. I've also been looking at some different Americorps opportunities.

As for my career goals, I want biglaw right out of school. I'd like to be either in Chicago or Minneapolis, but I'm not too set on either.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby ArtVandalay » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:44 pm

flip wrote:
UCLAtransfer wrote:Do you have something you can do for the year off that will at least add something solid/worth it to your resume?

What are your career goals/where do you want to work?


Yeah, I really don't know what I would do with a year off. There were some government fellowships I was thinking of doing before deciding to go to law school next year, but the deadlines for those have passed now that its so late. I've also been looking at some different Americorps opportunities.

As for my career goals, I want biglaw right out of school. I'd like to be either in Chicago or Minneapolis, but I'm not too set on either.


Sounds like especially for those cities the only SLIGHTLY better option outside of HYS would really be UChi anyway. Performing well at Mich would be great for landing in Chicago as far as I know. I don't think CCN would help you very much over Michigan that it would be worth losing a year (without a solid job backup already lined up, as it is late in the game). If you are in love with Mich, I'd say just go now

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby ndirish2010 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:26 pm

If you have something you can do for the year off, I would reapply. However, Michigan with 22K is a pretty sweet deal. I would take that over Chicago at sticker (though maybe you could get some $$ at Chicago, I'm not familiar enough). Bottom line is if you don't have anything lined up for the year off, I would attend Michigan now since your chance at Harvard is pretty slim w/ a 3.7.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:33 pm

Thanks guys. I think I am leaning toward going to Michigan this year (I mean, I've already bought football tickets). I'm still debating though - Chicago does sound pretty attractive (friends and gf there). But then again, Michigan is only 3 hours away and I do kind of have a hardon for it. damn decisions

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby fingersxd » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:45 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:If you have something you can do for the year off, I would reapply. However, Michigan with 22K is a pretty sweet deal. I would take that over Chicago at sticker (though maybe you could get some $$ at Chicago, I'm not familiar enough). Bottom line is if you don't have anything lined up for the year off, I would attend Michigan now since your chance at Harvard is pretty slim w/ a 3.7.


This is the way to go. Harvard is nice, but far from a given (and would 100% be at sticker). Agree that Chicago at sticker may not be worth losing a potential year of work (btu check what sort of $ comparable stats have gotten). If you really loved Michigan, just go for it.

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby ndirish2010 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:07 pm

flip wrote:Thanks guys. I think I am leaning toward going to Michigan this year (I mean, I've already bought football tickets). I'm still debating though - Chicago does sound pretty attractive (friends and gf there). But then again, Michigan is only 3 hours away and I do kind of have a hardon for it. damn decisions


Given the bolded, go to Michigan and get me a ticket for the Notre Dame game. Willing to pay 4x face. :D

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby flip » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:31 am

ndirish2010 wrote:
flip wrote:Thanks guys. I think I am leaning toward going to Michigan this year (I mean, I've already bought football tickets). I'm still debating though - Chicago does sound pretty attractive (friends and gf there). But then again, Michigan is only 3 hours away and I do kind of have a hardon for it. damn decisions


Given the bolded, go to Michigan and get me a ticket for the Notre Dame game. Willing to pay 4x face. :D


dude you don't wanna pay that much just to see ND get their asses handed to them

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Re: Help! UMich or reapply?

Postby ndirish2010 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:33 am

flip wrote:
ndirish2010 wrote:
flip wrote:Thanks guys. I think I am leaning toward going to Michigan this year (I mean, I've already bought football tickets). I'm still debating though - Chicago does sound pretty attractive (friends and gf there). But then again, Michigan is only 3 hours away and I do kind of have a hardon for it. damn decisions


Given the bolded, go to Michigan and get me a ticket for the Notre Dame game. Willing to pay 4x face. :D


dude you don't wanna pay that much just to see ND get their asses handed to them


Ha, we'll win this year. If it weren't the first night game at the Big House, I'd be a lot more confident.




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