Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

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Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby areyouinsane » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:35 pm

Hope more states start dropping the "ABA law school" requirement:

http://www.startribune.com/local/124983284.html

The S.C. in MN probably figures, "hell, the ABA accredited Cooley, Hofstra, NYLS, and scores of other marginal diploma-mill toilets, so why not just say "fuck it" and let anyone take the bar? How can anyone argue with a straight face that ABA accredation is anything other than meaningless?

Hopefully over the next several years, more states will go down this road and basically do away with "education" standards altogether. Just require a GED and 4 or so years of apprecticeship at a toilet firm as your ticket to the bar'zam. At least that would cut the student loan sharks out of the mix, and probably produce more competent grads than the current TTTs.

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby monarchylover » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:37 pm

areyouinsane wrote:Hope more states start dropping the "ABA law school" requirement:

http://www.startribune.com/local/124983284.html

The S.C. in MN probably figures, "hell, the ABA accredited Cooley, Hofstra, NYLS, and scores of other marginal diploma-mill toilets, so why not just say "fuck it" and let anyone take the bar? How can anyone argue with a straight face that ABA accredation is anything other than meaningless?

Hopefully over the next several years, more states will go down this road and basically do away with "education" standards altogether. Just require a GED and 4 or so years of apprecticeship at a toilet firm as your ticket to the bar'zam. At least that would cut the student loan sharks out of the mix, and probably produce more competent grads than the current TTTs.


some states require no law school you can just sit for the bar.... I think California is this way..

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby scammedhard » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:39 pm

Most, if not all, of these non-ABA law grads are unemployable ANYWHERE. This change in policy is meaningless from a jobs point of view for everyone involved.

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby monarchylover » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:41 pm

scammedhard wrote:Most, if not all, of these non-ABA law grads are unemployable ANYWHERE. This change in policy is meaningless from a jobs point of view for everyone involved.


Wrong you can always work the corner.. sucky sucky for a dolla

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby areyouinsane » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:46 pm

Most, if not all, of these non-ABA law grads are unemployable ANYWHERE.


Not entirely true. For example, if you could go to law school essentially for free via the Internet or a community-college type program, and such program qualified you to sit the bar in your state, you could easily hang a shingle and drop 20, 30 or 40 K on ads and make yourself a decent shitlaw business. Whereas the TTT'ers and others with hefty student loans cannot.

Plus if you flop, the $$$ you wasted trying to build a practice would be 100% dischargable in bankruptcy.

The big problem with ABA schools is the cost- it's nothing more than a cartel which feeds a select few (bankers, law school profs & deans, etc) while royally screwing everyone else. Worst of all, it does not teach one anything relevant to practice. The entire model is a complete and utter waste of time, effort and money.

I say open up the market and let people apprentice to firms or solos for several years, then sit the bar. The ABA are a laughingstock orgnization that have almost criminally abdicated any and all responsibility for protecting the average attorneys livelihood.

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby nmcdgt » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:18 am

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby quixotical » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:48 am

scammedhard wrote:Most, if not all, of these non-ABA law grads are unemployable ANYWHERE.


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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby imbored25 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:43 pm

retake

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby drylo » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:11 am

Some of you are obnoxiously ignorant. Attending an unaccredited law school does not make one an inferior lawyer. There are plenty of reasons why one might attend such a school: it is cheaper, probably taught by practitioners with an emphasis on the practical things that top law schools don't teach, flexibility in terms of schedules, etc. Obviously none of these people are going to work at Cravath, but what does that really mean?

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby monarchylover » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:49 pm

drylo wrote:Some of you are obnoxiously ignorant. Attending an unaccredited law school does not make one an inferior lawyer. There are plenty of reasons why one might attend such a school: it is cheaper, probably taught by practitioners with an emphasis on the practical things that top law schools don't teach, flexibility in terms of schedules, etc. Obviously none of these people are going to work at Cravath, but what does that really mean?



Don't say that on here. T14 or you're a retarded inbreed.

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby SchopenhauerFTW » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:55 pm

drylo wrote:Some of you are obnoxiously ignorant. Attending an unaccredited law school does not make one an inferior lawyer. There are plenty of reasons why one might attend such a school: it is cheaper, probably taught by practitioners with an emphasis on the practical things that top law schools don't teach, flexibility in terms of schedules, etc. Obviously none of these people are going to work at Cravath, but what does that really mean?

Okay, it might not make one an inferior lawyers, but what about general employment?

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:05 pm

All things considered, a below median liberal arts major with no prior work experience is hardly in a better position in terms of job prospects than what these online schools offer any random prospective student.

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby SchopenhauerFTW » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:13 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:All things considered, a below median liberal arts major with no prior work experience is hardly in a better position in terms of job prospects than what these online schools offer any random prospective student.

I disagree. Didn't you know that liberal arts majors are entitled to have great jobs right out of school? They are part of the modern aristocracy. lol

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby chem » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:28 pm

SchopenhauerFTW wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:All things considered, a below median liberal arts major with no prior work experience is hardly in a better position in terms of job prospects than what these online schools offer any random prospective student.

I disagree. Didn't you know that liberal arts majors are entitled to have great jobs right out of school? They are part of the modern aristocracy. lol


You have just furthered the stereotype engineers conceive liberal arts people to be

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby SchopenhauerFTW » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:32 pm

chem wrote:
SchopenhauerFTW wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:All things considered, a below median liberal arts major with no prior work experience is hardly in a better position in terms of job prospects than what these online schools offer any random prospective student.

I disagree. Didn't you know that liberal arts majors are entitled to have great jobs right out of school? They are part of the modern aristocracy. lol


You have just furthered the stereotype engineers conceive liberal arts people to be

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby chem » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:28 pm

Hah! I knew you were joking but I thought that address was real.

As you know, engineers are not known for noticing subtlety either.

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Re: Minnesota drops ABA law school requirement

Postby kapital98 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:36 pm

drylo wrote:Some of you are obnoxiously ignorant. Attending an unaccredited law school does not make one an inferior lawyer. There are plenty of reasons why one might attend such a school: it is cheaper, probably taught by practitioners with an emphasis on the practical things that top law schools don't teach, flexibility in terms of schedules, etc. Obviously none of these people are going to work at Cravath, but what does that really mean?


You're right. The bar exam should be the test to determine whether one can practice law. Most of the people who attend non accredited schools have different career plans than accredited schools (ex: they need a J.D. for part of a real estate business.)

When it comes to employment the job prospects are decent if you remember they are going for different types of employment (i.e. less money and different markets.)




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