Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby dr123 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:05 am

rarariot wrote:
dr123 wrote:
Ford Prefect wrote:
dr123 wrote:Have fun trying to find a non legal job with a JD on your resume. You're gonna get a lot of LOLWUTS


Well, I'd think you might have some luck if you have a significant experience in the field you're looking in. But then why bother getting a law degree?


Thats what I was saying to begin with. With some hard work its definitely reasonable to work your way up to a 50k/yr job with a Bachelor's degree


For some people it's not all about money.


A 50k/year lawyer job that is not a public interest or government position is no one's dream. Id be willing to wager those types of jobs are all about the money.

ETA: If it really is your dream to work some shitlaw job, then go for it.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:08 am

Helmholtz wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
rarariot wrote:Reducing your payments through IBR may extend your loan period and cause interest accrual, but any remaining balance — including interest — is forgiven after 25 years of payments (or 10 years for those with Direct loans who work in public service).


Direct loans /=/ GradPlus, right? If I'm reading that right, then only the Direct loans get forgiven after ten years, but you're still on the hook for the remainder?

Direct loans include Stafford and Grad Plus loans


My mistake. I forget all the different names for things and how they work roughly five minutes after filling out my finaid forms for the year.

I vote for OP going to Fordham and being as poor as possible for a decade+, in an effort to work the system and get loans forgiven.


This made me chuckle.

Honestly I haven't seen any strong arguments against going to Fordham yet. I am also completely shocked about how misinformed the people giving advice on this website are.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Bildungsroman » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:14 am

rarariot wrote:
Honestly I haven't seen any strong arguments against going to Fordham yet. I am also completely shocked about how misinformed the people giving advice on this website are.

Bildungsroman wrote:But "convince me to blank" and "convince me not to blank" threads are rarely productive, as they're typically started by people set in their ways who are looking to flaunt their rejection of common sense.

I predicted the shit out of this thread.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:15 am

dr123 wrote:
A 50k/year lawyer job that is not a public interest or government position is no one's dream. Id be willing to wager those types of jobs are all about the money.

ETA: If it really is your dream to work some shitlaw job, then go for it.


Well I never mentioned what kind of position I was looking for. That would have introduced more biases and honestly I'm not 100% sure.

I'm only sure that I want to practice law and from this discussion I am becoming sure that Fordham is the right choice.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby dr123 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:20 am

How are you "sure" you want to practice law?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Ford Prefect » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:20 am

Question:

Why Fordham?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Helmholtz » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:22 am

Ford Prefect wrote:Question:

Why Fordham?


Fordham is a great place to be if your plan entails being poor for decades?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby tyro » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:23 am

rarariot, out of curiosity were you worried about debt during undergrad?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:28 am

Why Fordham: Out of all the law schools that I have been accepted to, Fordham gives me the best chance to land a job that I will love no matter how much I make.

Did I worry about debt in undergrad: No, I went to a state school and parents covered it. If you are wondering if I will be supported at all by inheritance, the answer is no.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:30 am

Helmholtz wrote:
Ford Prefect wrote:Question:

Why Fordham?


Fordham is a great place to be if your plan entails being poor for decades?


Is this poor qualitative or quantitative?

I can live with one but not the other.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Helmholtz » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:30 am

rarariot wrote:Fordham gives me the best chance to land a job that I will love no matter how much I make.


Can you describe "a job that you will love no matter how much you make," the chances of landing this type of job out of Fordham, and what you will do if you don't get this job?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Ford Prefect » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:30 am

rarariot wrote:Why Fordham: Out of all the law schools that I have been accepted to, Fordham gives me the best chance to land a job that I will love no matter how much I make.


Is this because it's the higher-ranked school or are there other factors involved (such as location).

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby tyro » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:33 am

rarariot wrote: No, I went to a state school and parents covered it.


Is there a public T60 law school in your state of residence within your range?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:33 am

dr123 wrote:How are you "sure" you want to practice law?


Like, law saved my life, grew up loving it, enjoy reading cases as much as reading Tolstoy "sure".

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby paulinaporizkova » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:34 am

rarariot wrote:
dr123 wrote:How are you "sure" you want to practice law?


Like, law saved my life, grew up loving it, enjoy reading cases as much as reading Tolstoy "sure".

then why would you make this thread?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Helmholtz » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:35 am

rarariot wrote:
dr123 wrote:How are you "sure" you want to practice law?


Like, law saved my life, grew up loving it, enjoy reading cases as much as reading Tolstoy "sure".


Have you ever worked in an actual law firm?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Ford Prefect » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:35 am

paulinaporizkova wrote:
rarariot wrote:
dr123 wrote:How are you "sure" you want to practice law?


Like, law saved my life, grew up loving it, enjoy reading cases as much as reading Tolstoy "sure".

then why would you make this thread?


I'm so confused.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:36 am

tyro wrote:
rarariot wrote: No, I went to a state school and parents covered it.


Is there a public T60 law school in your state of residence within your range?


Yes, but my class gets screwed here because state schools are broke. It would cost more than every private school I received money from. My state school gave me 5k and said sorry we have no money.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:42 am

Ford Prefect wrote:
paulinaporizkova wrote:
rarariot wrote:
dr123 wrote:How are you "sure" you want to practice law?


Like, law saved my life, grew up loving it, enjoy reading cases as much as reading Tolstoy "sure".

then why would you make this thread?


I'm so confused.


This thread was not about whether I should attend law school or not. I am attending no matter what. I just wanted to see some solid arguments against Fordham at sticker. Unfortunately, I am dissapoint.

and yes I have worked in a law firm. 75% of attorneys I encountered hated their job, but I loved every minute of it and wanted to jump into their shoes.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Helmholtz » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:44 am

Bildungsroman wrote:
rarariot wrote:
Honestly I haven't seen any strong arguments against going to Fordham yet. I am also completely shocked about how misinformed the people giving advice on this website are.

Bildungsroman wrote:But "convince me to blank" and "convince me not to blank" threads are rarely productive, as they're typically started by people set in their ways who are looking to flaunt their rejection of common sense.

I predicted the shit out of this thread.


kudos, dude

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby tyro » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:47 am

rarariot wrote:
tyro wrote:
rarariot wrote: No, I went to a state school and parents covered it.


Is there a public T60 law school in your state of residence within your range?


Yes, but my class gets screwed here because state schools are broke. It would cost more than every private school I received money from. My state school gave me 5k and said sorry we have no money.


Were you raised on the East coast?

Would you be willing to accept a mid-law position?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby paulinaporizkova » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:49 am

rarariot wrote:
Ford Prefect wrote:
I'm so confused.


This thread was not about whether I should attend law school or not. I am attending no matter what. I just wanted to see some solid arguments against Fordham at sticker. Unfortunately, I am dissapoint.


WTF? are you a masochist?

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby Ford Prefect » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:52 am

rarariot wrote:This thread was not about whether I should attend law school or not. I am attending no matter what. I just wanted to see some solid arguments against Fordham at sticker. Unfortunately, I am dissapoint.


Okay. If you're dead-set on law school, that's fine. It's your money. But my feeling is you're taking a huge gamble with such a heavy loan debt. I'm making the assumption (or deliberately misinforming you - you take this as you will) that Fordham places best in and around New York. You say you're in a state that is broke with several state schools - my assumption (again) is California. If you want to work in New York, have no interest in practicing in your home state, don't want to worry about debt load, and have really no interest in attending the other school you spoke of, go to Fordham.

I get the feeling that Fordham's Dean could've suggested to you this isn't a good idea and you'd still choose to go.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby rarariot » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:59 am

tyro wrote:
rarariot wrote:
tyro wrote:
rarariot wrote: No, I went to a state school and parents covered it.


Is there a public T60 law school in your state of residence within your range?


Yes, but my class gets screwed here because state schools are broke. It would cost more than every private school I received money from. My state school gave me 5k and said sorry we have no money.


Were you raised on the East coast?

Would you be willing to accept a mid-law position?


Yes and if it was in a field i'm interested in of course I would.

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Re: Convince me out of going to Fordham at sticker.

Postby sundance95 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:59 am

OP: Why you scurred to tell us your other option?




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