LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby protein » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:21 pm

heretostay88 wrote:mad at your bologne? lol

what is a bologne

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:52 pm

[\quote]

DN routinely outplace MV in big law.

U mad?[/quote]


Have you heard about the chicago legal market.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:53 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
ernestborgnine wrote:
In fact last year Duke placed a greater % of their grads into Fed. Clerkships than any other non top 3 - t14. Cornell placed the highest percentage into big law.


Sure, but what about when you limit that to CoA clerkships? Would a MPBV grad have a significantly better shot at the best judges on the CoA, the so called feeder judges (I know I know HYS dominate)? The answer has got to be yes, right? The school that I got into seems to do pretty well in the research I have done (in absolute numbers, not as a percentage of grads) and I think the faculty network is really good. I just can't stop thinking I'm going to be stuck behind all the T10 for the best clerkships.

And I know I have zero leverage on the WL. That's why part of me says I've got to just pay sticker if MPBV is significantly better. A top clerkship is a big priority for me.


The answer has got to be no. They care much more about your grades, your letters of rec., etc etc.

The MPV distinction is a bunch of internet bullshit.



Have you heard about the chicago legal market?

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:00 pm

treysongz45 wrote:

Have you heard about the chicago legal market?


60% of NU students who did OCI in 2009 got big law. How many at Michigan. Rumors were 40% But that's probably out of students total.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:15 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:

Have you heard about the chicago legal market?


60% of NU students who did OCI in 2009 got big law. How many at Michigan. Rumors were 40% But that's probably out of students total.



weird bro.i thought only 40% of nu's class of 2010 even worked in the nlj250. wasn't 2011 much worse for everyone?

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby glewz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:39 pm

NLJ250 Law Firm Hiring % for MVPBDNCG

2010:
Cornell: 58.3% (rank 2)
Penn: 53.3% (rank 4)
Virginia: 46.8% (rank 6)
Berkeley: 45.6% (rank 7)
Northwestern: 44.4% (rank 8 )
Michigan: 42.5% (rank 10)
Duke: 38.0% (rank 12)
Georgetown: 37.6% (rank 13)

2009
Northwestern: 55.9% (rank 1)
Virginia: 52.8% (rank 5)
Michigan: 51% (rank 6)
Penn: 50.8% (rank 7)
Berkeley: 50% (rank 9)
Duke: 49.8% (rank 10)
Georgetown: 42.8% (rank 13)
Cornell: 41.5% (rank 14)

2008
Penn: 67.7% (rank 3)
Northwestern: 62.9% (rank 5)
Berkeley: 62.6% (rank 6)
Cornell: 62.0% (rank 7)
Duke: 61.8% (rank 8 )
Virginia: 57.2% (rank 10)
Michigan: 55.0% (rank 12)
Georgetown: 49.0% (rank 13)

2007
Northwestern: 73.5% (rank 2)
Penn: 69.0% (rank 5)
Cornell: 62.2% (rank 6)
Duke: 59.3% (rank 8 )
Virginia: 58.1% (rank 9)
Michigan: 56.4% (rank 10)
Berkeley: 53.7 (rank 11)
Georgetown: 48.5% (rank 13)
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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:41 pm

treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:

Have you heard about the chicago legal market?


60% of NU students who did OCI in 2009 got big law. How many at Michigan. Rumors were 40% But that's probably out of students total.



weird bro.i thought only 40% of nu's class of 2010 even worked in the nlj250. wasn't 2011 much worse for everyone?


OCI in 2009 = C/O 11, and NALP at graduation != 2L OCI SA.
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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:47 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:

Have you heard about the chicago legal market?


60% of NU students who did OCI in 2009 got big law. How many at Michigan. Rumors were 40% But that's probably out of students total.



weird bro.i thought only 40% of nu's class of 2010 even worked in the nlj250. wasn't 2011 much worse for everyone?


OCI in 2009 = C/O 09, and NALP at graduation != 2L OCI SA.



wouldn't oci in 2009 represent class of 2011 bro? which would have been worse than 2010?

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby glewz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:51 pm

glewz wrote:NLJ250 Law Firm Hiring % for MVPDNCG


Duke Average %: 52.2%
Duke Average Rank: 9.5

Northwestern Average %: 59.2%
Northwestern Average Rank: 4

Cornell Average %: 56%
Cornell Average Rank: 7.25

Georgetown Average %: 44.5%
Georgetown Average Rank: 13

Penn Average %: 60.2%
Penn Average Rank: 4.75

Virginia Average %: 53.7%
Virginia Average Rank: 7.5

Michigan Average %: 51.2%
Michigan Average Rank: 9.5

Berkeley Average %: 53.0%
Berkeley Average Rank: 8.25


MVPB Average %: 54.5%
MVPB Average Rank: 7.5

DNC Average %: 55.8%
DNC Average Rank: 6.9

DNC+G Average %: 53%
DNC+G Average Rank: 8.4




With the exception of Georgetown's #s, there is very little difference in NLJ 250 firm hiring for DNC and MVPB. Resolved?
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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:52 pm

glewz wrote:NLJ250 Law Firm Hiring % for MVPBDNCG

2010:
Cornell: 58.3% (rank 2)
Penn: 53.3% (rank 4)
Virginia: 46.8% (rank 6)
Berkeley: 45.6% (rank 7)
Northwestern: 44.4% (rank 8 )
Michigan: 42.5% (rank 10)
Duke: 38.0% (rank 12)
Georgetown: 37.6% (rank 13)

2009
Northwestern: 55.9% (rank 1)
Virginia: 52.8% (rank 5)
Michigan: 51% (rank 6)
Penn: 50.8% (rank 7)
Berkeley: 50% (rank 9)
Duke: 49.8% (rank 10)
Georgetown: 42.8% (rank 13)
Cornell: 41.5% (rank 14)

2008
Penn: 67.7% (rank 3)
Northwestern: 62.9% (rank 5)
Berkeley: 62.6% (rank 6)
Cornell: 62.0% (rank 7)
Duke: 61.8% (rank 8 )
Virginia: 57.2% (rank 10)
Michigan: 55.0% (rank 12)
Georgetown: 49.0% (rank 13)

2007
Northwestern: 73.5% (rank 2)
Penn: 69.0% (rank 5)
Cornell: 62.2% (rank 6)
Duke: 59.3% (rank 8 )
Virginia: 58.1% (rank 9)
Michigan: 56.4% (rank 10)
Berkeley: 53.7 (rank 11)
Georgetown: 48.5% (rank 13)



what about clerkships? have you factored in clerkships? many people go to clerkships before going to a law firm.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:53 pm

glewz wrote:
glewz wrote:NLJ250 Law Firm Hiring % for MVPDNCG


Duke Average %: 52.2%
Duke Average Rank: 9.5

Northwestern Average %: 59.2%
Northwestern Average Rank: 4

Cornell Average %: 56%
Cornell Average Rank: 7.25

Georgetown Average %: 44.5%
Georgetown Average Rank: 13

Penn Average %: 60.2%
Penn Average Rank: 4.75

Virginia Average %: 53.7%
Virginia Average Rank: 7.5

Michigan Average %: 51.2%
Michigan Average Rank: 9.5

Berkeley Average %: 53.0%
Berkeley Average Rank: 8.25


MVPB Average %: 54.5%
MVPB Average Rank: 7.5

DNC Average %: 55.8%
DNC Average Rank: 6.9

DNC+G Average %: 53%
DNC+G Average Rank: 8.4




With the exception of Georgetown's #s, there is very little difference in NLJ 250 firm hiring for DNC and MCPB. Resolved?



you realize the legal market has changed quite a bit in the past four years? did you know that? so averaging out the past four years isn't as informative. also what about clerkships? did you factor those in?

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby glewz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:56 pm

treysongz45 wrote:
glewz wrote:NLJ250 Law Firm Hiring % for MVPBDNCG


what about clerkships? have you factored in clerkships? many people go to clerkships before going to a law firm.


I can't really find reliable clerkship #s. If you take a look at USNews' numbers, they have U Washington (Seattle) in #4 and U Georgia in #6...I don't know what to make of that.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... s-rankings

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:57 pm

treysongz45 wrote:

wouldn't oci in 2009 represent class of 2011 bro? which would have been worse than 2010?


yea typo bro.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby glewz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:03 pm

treysongz45 wrote:you realize the legal market has changed quite a bit in the past four years? did you know that? so averaging out the past four years isn't as informative. also what about clerkships? did you factor those in?


Did I know that legal markets change from year to year? ...yes, and I gave you the #s for the individual years. N and C take some of the highest spots in the 2010 firm ranking btw.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:06 pm

And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby stylishlaw » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:11 pm

Pretty much:

HYS
CCN
#7 to #13 (No real difference in placement)
Gtown Texas UCLA USC Vandy (very small edge to Gtown, but best choice if you want east coast)
etc.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:12 pm

Desert Fox wrote:And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.


i don't know where those numbers come from but 60% of oci =/= to 60% of class. And you compare the weakest of mvp with the strongest of dcng. lol

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby Curry » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:13 pm

treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.


i don't know where those numbers come from but 60% of oci =/= to 60% of class. And you compare the weakest of mvp with the strongest of dcng. lol

You've just entered a fight you cannot win.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby glewz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:15 pm

treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.


i don't know where those numbers come from but 60% of oci =/= to 60% of class. And you compare the weakest of mvp with the strongest of dcng. lol

and this is where the averages come handy. And the averages say....no difference

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:19 pm

glewz wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.


i don't know where those numbers come from but 60% of oci =/= to 60% of class. And you compare the weakest of mvp with the strongest of dcng. lol

and this is where the averages come handy. And the averages say....no difference



and again the averages don't mean much when you consider what has happened to the chicago legal market and the legal market as a whole in the past four years. it is obvious the chicago is hurting. but i can see that you're convinced for some reason that dcng=mvp so i think i'll move on from this conversation.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:20 pm

Curry wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.


i don't know where those numbers come from but 60% of oci =/= to 60% of class. And you compare the weakest of mvp with the strongest of dcng. lol

You've just entered a fight you cannot win.


how is dcng?

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby Curry » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:22 pm

treysongz45 wrote:
Curry wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.


i don't know where those numbers come from but 60% of oci =/= to 60% of class. And you compare the weakest of mvp with the strongest of dcng. lol

You've just entered a fight you cannot win.


how is dcng?

DF knows way more than I do.

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby treysongz45 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:22 pm

glewz wrote:
glewz wrote:NLJ250 Law Firm Hiring % for MVPDNCG


Duke Average %: 52.2%
Duke Average Rank: 9.5

Northwestern Average %: 59.2%
Northwestern Average Rank: 4

Cornell Average %: 56%
Cornell Average Rank: 7.25

Georgetown Average %: 44.5%
Georgetown Average Rank: 13

Penn Average %: 60.2%
Penn Average Rank: 4.75

Virginia Average %: 53.7%
Virginia Average Rank: 7.5

Michigan Average %: 51.2%
Michigan Average Rank: 9.5

Berkeley Average %: 53.0%
Berkeley Average Rank: 8.25


MVPB Average %: 54.5%
MVPB Average Rank: 7.5

DNC Average %: 55.8%
DNC Average Rank: 6.9

DNC+G Average %: 53%
DNC+G Average Rank: 8.4




With the exception of Georgetown's #s, there is very little difference in NLJ 250 firm hiring for DNC and MCPB. Resolved?



nice straw man arguement. when did i mention berkeley?

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby Curry » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:23 pm

treysongz45 wrote:
glewz wrote:
glewz wrote:NLJ250 Law Firm Hiring % for MVPDNCG


Duke Average %: 52.2%
Duke Average Rank: 9.5

Northwestern Average %: 59.2%
Northwestern Average Rank: 4

Cornell Average %: 56%
Cornell Average Rank: 7.25

Georgetown Average %: 44.5%
Georgetown Average Rank: 13

Penn Average %: 60.2%
Penn Average Rank: 4.75

Virginia Average %: 53.7%
Virginia Average Rank: 7.5

Michigan Average %: 51.2%
Michigan Average Rank: 9.5

Berkeley Average %: 53.0%
Berkeley Average Rank: 8.25


MVPB Average %: 54.5%
MVPB Average Rank: 7.5

DNC Average %: 55.8%
DNC Average Rank: 6.9

DNC+G Average %: 53%
DNC+G Average Rank: 8.4




With the exception of Georgetown's #s, there is very little difference in NLJ 250 firm hiring for DNC and MCPB. Resolved?



nice straw man arguement. when did i mention berkeley?

>ignores all other evidence
>misrepresents the persons post
>calls strawman

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Re: LOCI advice for an MPBV v. lower T14

Postby dabbadon8 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:25 pm

treysongz45 wrote:
glewz wrote:
treysongz45 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:And when teh market changed NU did 60% who attended OCI, Michigan did 40% total. When it's home market it was crushed no less.

There isn't really a difference in placement after the dust settled. MVP is a 0L myth.


i don't know where those numbers come from but 60% of oci =/= to 60% of class. And you compare the weakest of mvp with the strongest of dcng. lol

and this is where the averages come handy. And the averages say....no difference



and again the averages don't mean much when you consider what has happened to the chicago legal market and the legal market as a whole in the past four years. it is obvious the chicago is hurting. but i can see that you're convinced for some reason that dcng=mvp so i think i'll move on from this conversation.


I think the reason he is convinced is the preponderance of evidence points to that conclusion. I had to choose between michigan and duke and chose duke. I would not of made that choice had I found any evidence that suggested MVP was better than DNCG.




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