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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:31 am
by eskay2007
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Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:38 am
by Grizz
Impossible to answer without the exact things you told us not to consider, scholarship money and where you want to work. Those are the only 2 things that matter here.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:43 am
by beaniew
Neither! Or, if I must, Case Western. But seriously, neither.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:43 am
by eskay2007
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Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:59 am
by TheFactor
So, you want us to help you choose a school without taking into account arguably the two most important factors in choosing between two schools?

Might as well make the two options in the poll "A" and "B"

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:41 am
by Grizz
eskay2007 wrote:
beaniew wrote:Neither! Or, if I must, Case Western. But seriously, neither.



Haha just curious, why neither? I thought both were pretty decent law schools... not all of us can be at T14.

And I said not to consider the $$$ because my total debt after factoring in scholarship money is almost the same for both schools. As far as legal market goes, I am really flexible and willing to work anywhere so the region isn't really important to me.


Well it would be nice to know the total COA to see, honestly, if it's even worth going.

Also, where do you have ties?

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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:01 pm
by eskay2007
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Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:10 pm
by NYC Law
eskay2007 wrote:2. I am fairly certain I am going to transfer up after my first year if I do well... Not to sound like an asshole but I'm ready to cut myself off from society in order to make it happen (hoping to be at least top 15% at whichever school I decide to attend)

I want to go to the school that will give me a good chance at being in the Top 10% (Case seems a lot less competitive than Villanova). I am also trying to factor in which would be easier to transfer out of, which one has better job prospects overall, and facilities (I'm a sucker for technologically advanced buildings, hate that old school stuff).

lol no

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:15 pm
by mpj_3050
eskay2007 wrote:1. Total COA for both schools after applying all scholarship aid comes to between 105K-110K.


I was in a similar situation with Case and withdrew. In my opinion, there aren't too many schools worth 105-110k (plus accrued interest/unexpected expenses/post-grad bar stuff) to justify these kind of debt levels.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:16 pm
by ChiCity22
I voted for Case in the poll but its basically a wash, after reading the previous post i'd say go to Nova since you know people in Philly, in the case that you don't have the opportunity to transfer up you'l enjoy Philly more than Cleveland. Also, Its probably not a big factor but Penn might view Nova as a feeder school for transfers which might give you a slight edge if you're at the top of the class.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:26 pm
by bport hopeful
Cleveland is a shit hole, so is Philly, but theres more going on and and its close to NYC. Its more fun, and thats basically the only difference based on what youve given.

Also, steal the outlines of your 3L friend.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:34 pm
by Magnolia
Flipped a coin. Villanova.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:39 pm
by Perch
Magnolia wrote:Flipped a coin. Villanova.


this made me smile :)

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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:11 am
by eskay2007
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Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:11 am
by Grizz
eskay2007 wrote:1. Total COA for both schools after applying all scholarship aid comes to between 105K-110K.
2. I am fairly certain I am going to transfer up after my first year if I do well... Not to sound like an asshole but I'm ready to cut myself off from society in order to make it happen (hoping to be at least top 15% at whichever school I decide to attend)
3. I prefer the East Coast (NYC or DC) but do not have a problem with Ohio or the midwest. I am very flexible when it comes to employment after graduation, will really work anywhere if I am offered a good position.
4. I know a lot of people in Philly and I am good friends with a 3L at Villanova who is doing really well (top 5%)... I know absolutely no one in Ohio.
5. Retake is not an option, and I refuse to even think about not going to law school... invested wayy too much time and money in this crap over the past year so I have told myself not going is not an option at this point... Sunk cost, whatever haha I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did all that for nothing.

I guess to sum up if I had to pick a region I would chose anywhere on the East Coast before other parts of the country. I want to go to the school that will give me a good chance at being in the Top 10% (Case seems a lot less competitive than Villanova). I am also trying to factor in which would be easier to transfer out of, which one has better job prospects overall, and facilities (I'm a sucker for technologically advanced buildings, hate that old school stuff).

Any input helps, I'm literally dead center between the two.. if someone can point things out that I failed to consider or overlooked please do so. Thank you all.


Villanova because of your regional preference, but it's really expensive. Also you do realize that there is a very good chance you won't be able to transfer up, right? And that more studying doesn't necessarily equate to better grades? Only go if you'd be happy graduating from Nova.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:40 am
by eskay2007
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Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:49 am
by Wade LeBosh
eskay2007 wrote:2. I am fairly certain I am going to transfer up after my first year if I do well... Not to sound like an asshole but I'm ready to cut myself off from society in order to make it happen (hoping to be at least top 15% at whichever school I decide to attend)

General consensus on this site is to never enter LS intending to transfer. How do you know you'll be able to make the top 15% at any school if you've never taken an exam yet? Certainly not a good basis for a decision.
3. I prefer the East Coast (NYC or DC) but do not have a problem with Ohio or the midwest. I am very flexible when it comes to employment after graduation, will really work anywhere if I am offered a good position.
I think you can forget about DC

5. Retake is not an option, and I refuse to even think about not going to law school... invested wayy too much time and money in this crap over the past year so I have told myself not going is not an option at this point... Sunk cost, whatever haha I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did all that for nothing.

Your law school education is going to cost you a lot more than all of your applications and LSAT registrations combined x10 so maybe you should crunch the numbers. Maybe you should wait, take a LSAT course this summer, retake in october and reapply. You should want to have at least 1 quality option.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:06 am
by ndirish2010
Retake, reapply or don't go. Neither of these schools are worth over 100K in debt.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:37 pm
by romothesavior
All things aside (so not considering things like job prospects, massive debt, likelihood of moving back with parents, the terrible money you'll make after graduation waiting tables at Applebee's, and rational thought), I'd say you're in good shape at either. Good luck OP!

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:15 am
by eskay2007
romothesavior wrote:All things aside (so not considering things like job prospects, massive debt, likelihood of moving back with parents, the terrible money you'll make after graduation waiting tables at Applebee's, and rational thought), I'd say you're in good shape at either. Good luck OP!


That was hilarious, you should do stand up!!


Already made a decision, but thank you to everyone who actually provided some valuable input.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:48 am
by romothesavior
eskay2007 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:All things aside (so not considering things like job prospects, massive debt, likelihood of moving back with parents, the terrible money you'll make after graduation waiting tables at Applebee's, and rational thought), I'd say you're in good shape at either. Good luck OP!


That was hilarious, you should do stand up!!


Already made a decision, but thank you to everyone who actually provided some valuable input.

Nah, I'm not nearly as tough/funny when I'm not sitting behind a computer screen.

Anyways, and I do mean this sincerely, good luck. Your plan (take out 100k+ to a very mediocre school in an area that you presumably are not from so that you can try to be like hundreds of others in your law school class and work "reeeeally reeeeally hard" and transfer up) is not a good one, so you're gonna need all the luck you can get.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:52 am
by ndirish2010
romothesavior wrote:
eskay2007 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:All things aside (so not considering things like job prospects, massive debt, likelihood of moving back with parents, the terrible money you'll make after graduation waiting tables at Applebee's, and rational thought), I'd say you're in good shape at either. Good luck OP!


That was hilarious, you should do stand up!!


Already made a decision, but thank you to everyone who actually provided some valuable input.

Nah, I'm not nearly as tough/funny when I'm not sitting behind a computer screen.

Anyways, and I do mean this sincerely, good luck. Your plan (take out 100k+ to a very mediocre school in an area that you presumably are not from so that you can try to be like hundreds of others in your law school class and work "reeeeally reeeeally hard" and transfer up) is not a good one, so you're gonna need all the luck you can get.


+1. Try craps.

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:23 am
by keg411
OP, please understand how hard it is to be at the very top of your class. As someone who has actually done it, so much of it takes luck and skill that you won't know if you have or not until it is way too late. Exams are unpredictable, the curve is unpredictable, and your ability to "think like a lawyer" sufficiently to consistently write top exams is completely unpredictable.

If you have to go, pick the school you would be more comfortable being broke and unemployed from (preferably whichever is closer to your family or any legal connections you might have).

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:33 pm
by uzpakalis
How can you just put all things aside???

Re: All things aside: Case Western or Villanova?

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:35 pm
by ndirish2010
uzpakalis wrote:How can you just put all things aside???


Should have taken that full ride to Cooley, but I forgot to put all things aside.