URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

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URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby bubbletea » Mon May 30, 2011 12:40 pm

W&M (#27) and has given me a guaranteed almost full ride (20k/yr & tuition is 26K) while Cardozo (#50) has given me guaranteed full tuition. Neither scholarship is contingent upon performance as long as I don't fail out, and the debt will be roughly equal due to the higher cost of living in NYC. I feel that the "practical" choice would be to go to W&M, as I'm not sure where I want to practice & want to have a shot at big law. However, the idea of living in Williamsburg for 3 years makes me cringe and I doubt I'd want to live in VA after law school. Would it be totally impractical to go to a much lower ranked school due to a short term geographic preference?

Thanks for any feedback!!!

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Mon May 30, 2011 12:49 pm

Forget big law.

If you don't want to work in VA and are indifferent to NYC, the choice is easy.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby JD2014 » Mon May 30, 2011 12:50 pm

The percentage of grads going to NLJ250 firms in comparable from each of these two schools (roughly 15%). Cardozo places in NYC, WM in VA and DC. Pick where you want to live.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby NYC Law » Mon May 30, 2011 12:51 pm

Honestly have you considered trying again next cycle? Retaking optional (but may as well).

Cardozo isn't going to get you big law and you don't want to be in VA, so making a last minute rushed decision to attend one of these schools just because you want to be in law school next year seems like a huge mistake. These aren't awful options, but for what you want, these aren't the best options.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby bubbletea » Mon May 30, 2011 1:19 pm

I could also go to Fordham, but my scholarship there of 15K/year seemed less practical (because I am risk averse and there is no guarantee that I'll get a biglaw job)

I'm really eager to go to law school next year because I'm spinning my wheels now, already quit my secretarial job, and am ready for the next step...

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Mon May 30, 2011 1:32 pm

bubbletea wrote:I could also go to Fordham, but my scholarship there of 15K/year seemed less practical (because I am risk averse and there is no guarantee that I'll get a biglaw job)

I'm really eager to go to law school next year because I'm spinning my wheels now, already quit my secretarial job, and am ready for the next step...


Cardozo full ride > Fordham near sticker.

Quit thinking about big law. Big law shouldn't be in the equation unless you are talking T14.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby NYC Law » Mon May 30, 2011 1:43 pm

I faced a similar decision and went with Fordham at 7.5k over Cardozo at 34k. Even a full ride at Cardozo is going to be close to six figures once you factor in cost of living, and out of the schools given Fordham is your only reasonable shot at big law (though still not a 'great' shot). Sometimes you just have to take a gamble.

But if the Fordham debt is out of the question, go to Cardozo.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby bubbletea » Mon May 30, 2011 2:24 pm

i was under the impression that biglaw would be a possibility if i stayed in the top 10% of the class at cardozo or w&m...not so?

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby NYC Law » Mon May 30, 2011 2:33 pm

bubbletea wrote:i was under the impression that biglaw would be a possibility if i stayed in the top 10% of the class at cardozo or w&m...not so?


Probably so, but being top 10% isn't something you can count on.
At least with Fordham it will be a possibility if you're top third-ish.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby bubbletea » Mon May 30, 2011 2:39 pm

hm, how about if i'm in the top 1/3 at w&m (ranked 27) and want to do biglaw in nyc? although fordham has a better reputation in the city, w&m is technically ranked higher.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby NYC Law » Mon May 30, 2011 2:44 pm

bubbletea wrote:hm, how about if i'm in the top 1/3 at w&m (ranked 27) and want to do biglaw in nyc? although fordham has a better reputation in the city, w&m is technically ranked higher.


Ranking doesnt matter outside of the top 14 schools, after that its all about regional heirarchy.
If you cant get T13, Fordham is as good as it gets for NYC, followed by Cardozo/Brooklyn/St. Johns

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby bubbletea » Mon May 30, 2011 3:01 pm

I also got into Duke but didn't want to pay sticker. After spending time on this website, I'm beginning to regret that decision...

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby NYC Law » Mon May 30, 2011 3:42 pm

bubbletea wrote:I also got into Duke but didn't want to pay sticker. After spending time on this website, I'm beginning to regret that decision...


:shock:

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby LSATfromNC » Mon May 30, 2011 3:56 pm

Call Duke, and ask them if they got your deposit because you think it was lost in the mail....

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby blacklawboss » Mon May 30, 2011 4:04 pm

LSATfromNC wrote:Call Duke, and ask them if they got your deposit because you think it was lost in the mail....



Lmao... If you are risk adverse go with cardozo. W&M outside of va doesn't mean much. Duke with debt is best option overall. Crawl back to them.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby whattheheck » Mon May 30, 2011 4:19 pm

NYC Law wrote:I faced a similar decision and went with Fordham at 7.5k over Cardozo at 34k. Even a full ride at Cardozo is going to be close to six figures once you factor in cost of living, and out of the schools given Fordham is your only reasonable shot at big law (though still not a 'great' shot). Sometimes you just have to take a gamble.

But if the Fordham debt is out of the question, go to Cardozo.





I am wondering where in the WORLD are people getting their calculations from with COL in NYC?? Of course if you live in the Manhattan you will be FOOLISHLY paying this amount but wouldn't common sense tell you to find somewhere other than the midst of Manhattan to live in to cut costs. You can easily get a one bedroom for 1200 or maybe even get a roommate and get a two bedroom for 1500. You can very well be paying less than 50k for three years. And just cut the luxurious miscellaneous crap and your good to go. But close to six figures... is NUTS!!

And of course there are parts of NYC that you shouldn't be hanging around, but that doesn't mean that anywhere outside of Manhattan is a danger zone. Please don't cave into ridiculous notion that its Grand Theft Auto here in NYC all day everyday. Also a 40 to 60 minute commute is not bad and really common for NYers. So just because you have to travel more than 15 minutes to your school doesn't mean that its the end of the freakin' world.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby crit_racer » Mon May 30, 2011 7:48 pm

LSATfromNC wrote:Call Duke, and ask them if they got your deposit because you think it was lost in the mail....


TITCR

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby Blindmelon » Mon May 30, 2011 7:50 pm

crit_racer wrote:
LSATfromNC wrote:Call Duke, and ask them if they got your deposit because you think it was lost in the mail....


TITCR


This x100.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby AP-375 » Mon May 30, 2011 8:03 pm

JD2014 wrote: Cardozo places in NYC, WM in VA and DC. Pick where you want to live.


In making my decision to attend W&M, I've found that W&M definitely gives you great options outside of VA/DC, and that a lot of firms from other places interview at OCI and their regional interview programs. After talking to alumni all across the country and attorneys in my Texas market, I believe W&M has the best national reputation and employment prospects for its range in the T20-30, probably similar to Notre Dame (although I'm sure that will be a point of contention). That was one of the big factors in my decision, fwiw. Best of luck.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby Exeter » Tue May 31, 2011 9:01 am

AP-375 wrote:
JD2014 wrote: Cardozo places in NYC, WM in VA and DC. Pick where you want to live.


In making my decision to attend W&M, I've found that W&M definitely gives you great options outside of VA/DC, and that a lot of firms from other places interview at OCI and their regional interview programs. After talking to alumni all across the country and attorneys in my Texas market, I believe W&M has the best national reputation and employment prospects for its range in the T20-30, probably similar to Notre Dame (although I'm sure that will be a point of contention). That was one of the big factors in my decision, fwiw. Best of luck.



I loved W&M. However, their 2010 numbers were scary. The OP should have taken Duke w/o question. W&M at 6K is not bad at all, but from what I have scene getting DC biglaw will be very very hard.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby bubbletea » Tue May 31, 2011 11:20 am

If I want to work in NYC, should I definitely choose Cardozo over W&M?

Also, which W&M numbers from 2010 are scary? Are Cardozo's numbers scary as well?

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby AP-375 » Tue May 31, 2011 11:44 am

bubbletea wrote:If I want to work in NYC, should I definitely choose Cardozo over W&M?

Also, which W&M numbers from 2010 are scary? Are Cardozo's numbers scary as well?


Yes. I think if you are sure you and NYC, take Cordozo. (although W&M has a regional interview program in NYC, and peeps with good/great grades have ended up in excellent firms there.) If you think you might want somewhere else, or might want to have a little bit more flexibility geographically, I'd lean W&M. Did you visit both?

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby AP-375 » Tue May 31, 2011 11:48 am

bubbletea wrote:hm, how about if i'm in the top 1/3 at w&m (ranked 27) and want to do biglaw in nyc? although fordham has a better reputation in the city, w&m is technically ranked higher.


Have you spoken with any W&M alumni in NYC? Talking to them in my home market was the difference maker for me - calmed my nerves about passing up a lower-ranked/regionally stronger school. Just call the admissions office and ask them to hook you up with someone in a big firm in NYC. I'm sure they'd do it.
Did you contact Duke?

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby bubbletea » Tue May 31, 2011 11:57 am

I visited both schools and loved Cardozo, but was less enthusiastic about W&M (bc I really don't want to live in Williamsburg). On the other hand, NYC may be a distraction from my studies and W-burg may be more bearable once I establish a social support network...in the short term, I'd prefer to be at Cardozo, but long term W&M just may keep more doors open? Leaning toward the practical choice of W&M...

Rationally, I feel the best choice is W&M. Emotionally, I am leaning toward Cardozo.

Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated!!!


*Emailed Duke & haven't heard back yet.

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Re: URGENT: W&M (60K scholarship) vs Cardozo (full ride)?

Postby ahduth » Tue May 31, 2011 12:03 pm

bubbletea wrote:If I want to work in NYC, should I definitely choose Cardozo over W&M?

Also, which W&M numbers from 2010 are scary? Are Cardozo's numbers scary as well?


Not to pile on, but if you want big law, Duke is the only option. Dean Hoye seems pretty chill though, maybe they'll take pity.




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