SetonHallstinks wrote:Please beg him to drop out if he's not top 5% after first year. There is virtually no OCI to speak of at Seton Hall anymore, esp. since the two biggest NJ firms (McCarter & Lownstein Sandler) are no longer taking summer associates.
Even funnier, they sent a mass email out last year telling all 2 and 3 L's to consider looking for work in more rural areas like Southern NJ and central/western PA "markets." Pretty humorous that a school where the NYC skyline can be seen from the windows is telling its own students to head out to Armpit Cove, PA to find work!
Anyone expecting a 70 to 80 K a year job coming out of SH is in for a rude awakening. I have friends from class of 2005 who aren't yet making 80 K six years into practice. It's mostly low-end insurance defense firms that hire SH grads, and these places usually start new associates at 35-45 K, sometimes a bit lower if you'll take it. For example, the ID firm that paid me 45 K in 2005 is now paying first-years 33 K- they know better than anyone the supply-demand imbalance and take full advantage of it. Understand also that these firms don't give a crap about quality work or your "career development" - ID work is utterly mindless cut n' paste slop and the court appearances are a complete joke. The partners could care less who churns out this crap- the hourly rates are a joke (like $90-$120) and many types of files (like soft tissue car accidents) are handled on flat-fee basis.
While Seton Hall isn't great, you do sound like a bit of an entitled douche.
1) Placement at NLJ250's are consistently above 10% at Seton Hall
2) Outside of a woman who placed #1 in her class, MOST of the successful lawyers from Seton Hall I have met who aren't doing IP are in Central Jersey and South Jersey---maybe you should think about moving to the "boondocks" for a job instead of complaining
3) I have personally interviewed at a larger midsized firm that largely does class action and personal injury (and as a Seton Hall grad you should know it) for a paralegal position. It paid 35k starting and most of their paralegals move into law school at Seton Hall and come back to work. If they were paying only 10k more this wouldn't happen