Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby red_alertz » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:43 am

darn it, i tried to log in on the kapital account but logged on the wrong one, oh wellz

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Stringer6 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:12 am

lol

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Stanford4Me » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:19 am

red_alertz wrote:darn it, i tried to log in on the kapital account but logged on the wrong one, oh wellz

180.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby maxm2764 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:00 am

kapital98 wrote:Romo, it is absolutely amazing how ignorant you are about something you talk about constantly!


Lol. Dude, really? Romo speaks the truth. His view isn't elitist, it's realistic.

The legal market = over-supply + under-demand. I wasn't an Econ major but that seems to make sense to me. More grads than jobs = unemployed grads. Please correct me if I'm wrong, again I'm not an economics genie like you.

Also, stop using big words to make you look smart, they don't. Frankly, they make you look like a stubborn arrogant douche who can't let go of his narrow-minded argument.

And, for the love of God, learn to argue without paraphrasing you're Econ 101 book.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Stringer6 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:19 am

anyone else have a contribution? this is SERIOUS.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby masochist » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:47 am

red_alertz wrote:don't hate, let the man walk his own path, hard work is the basis for every success, unless ur extremely lucky, given OP's having these two choices, we'd assume he didn't try too hard in undergrad, so it's only fair he works even harder than others in law school to make up the hours he owed back then and be successful


No, it isn't. Furthermore, this is the most dangerous advice you can give outside of a Jackass movie or a Cambodian strip club.

This is why 25% of JV high school basketball players are convinced they can make it to the NBA, people who get an "F" and a "C" in orgo are certain they can become a physician, and Cooley continues to exist. Reality is cruel, and everyone's potential is limited by their natural abilities.

The OP should be free to do whatever he or she wants. That said, the expected outcome for any law student entering any school should be grades at the median. All law students intend to work hard, all law students within the same school have similar levels of academic acheivement, and all law students assume they will finish in the top 25%. The reality is that 66% of law students will graduate with grades that fall within one standard deviation of the mean. If the OP is comfortable with the average financial consequences of either one of these schools, then go for it. If not, reconsider. Encouraging magical thinking among applicants is not helpful.

EDIT: to correct for stats brain fart.
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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby sambeber » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:49 am

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Postby Flips88 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:49 am

masochist wrote: The reality is that 66% of law students will graduate with a rank between the 33rd and 66th percentile.

:?:

ETA: see someone else noticed your ritard math skills

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby masochist » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:54 am

Flips88 wrote:
masochist wrote: The reality is that 66% of law students will graduate with a rank between the 33rd and 66th percentile.

:?:

ETA: see someone else noticed your ritard math skills


Sorry, confused median with mean. 33% fall within 33rd and 66th percentile, but 66% fall within one standard deviation away from the mean. This is the problem with TLS breaks in the middle of stats work.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby romothesavior » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:55 am

Masochist may have screwed up the math, but everything else he said was pretty good.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby prezidentv8 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:10 pm

Stanford4Me wrote:
red_alertz wrote:darn it, i tried to log in on the kapital account but logged on the wrong one, oh wellz

180.

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Postby romothesavior » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:37 pm

Kapital, here is an even better breakdown of that NALP data. It says basically the exact same thing I said in my post above. You should check it out: --LinkRemoved--. Please let me know if you still think going to the average T4 law school, even for cheap, is a good idea.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby scammedhard » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:32 pm

romothesavior wrote:Kapital, here is an even better breakdown of that NALP data. It says basically the exact same thing I said in my post above. You should check it out: --LinkRemoved--. Please let me know if you still think going to the average T4 law school, even for cheap, is a good idea.

Great article. I thought the labor market for lawyers was bad, but now I realize that I was being way too optimistic. This paragrapgh is just brutal:
"When we take temporary employment into account, it appears that approximately 45 percent of 2010 graduates of this particular top-50 law school had real legal jobs nine months after graduation. And the overall number is likely lower, since it seems probable that the temporary employment figures for the graduates of almost any top 50 school would be better than the average outcome for the graduates of the 198 ABA-accredited law schools as a whole."

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Hannibal » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:13 pm

romothesavior wrote:Kapital, here is an even better breakdown of that NALP data. It says basically the exact same thing I said in my post above. You should check it out: --LinkRemoved--. Please let me know if you still think going to the average T4 law school, even for cheap, is a good idea.


I'm not sure I trust that article's analysis (I'd disagree with his treatment of non-A3 clerkships as unemployment, for example), but yeah that's definitely not great news. I wonder what T50 it is.

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Postby romothesavior » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:20 pm

Hannibal wrote:I'm not sure I trust that article's analysis (I'd disagree with his treatment of non-A3 clerkships as unemployment, for example), but yeah that's definitely not great news. I wonder what T50 it is.

He didn't treat non-A3 clerkships as unemployment. State SCT clerkships were counted as employment. He also excluded state appellate because it is ambiguous as to how those are treated.. The only ones he counted as "non-permanent" were state trial court, which is a good move. Those are almost universally taken by people who couldn't find a job, and they are usually unlikely to lead to permanent employment. I dunno how he treated A1 clerkships.

His treatment of clerkships may not have been perfect, but it was pretty good, and I doubt it changed the overall percentages by more than a point or two.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Hannibal » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:24 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Hannibal wrote:I'm not sure I trust that article's analysis (I'd disagree with his treatment of non-A3 clerkships as unemployment, for example), but yeah that's definitely not great news. I wonder what T50 it is.

He didn't treat non-A3 clerkships as unemployment. State SCT clerkships were counted as employment. He also excluded state appellate because it is ambiguous as to how those are treated.. The only ones he counted as "non-permanent" were state trial court, which is a good move. Those are almost universally taken by people who couldn't find a job, and they are usually unlikely to lead to permanent employment. I dunno how he treated A1 clerkships.

His treatment of clerkships may not have been perfect, but it was pretty good, and I doubt it changed the overall percentages by more than a point or two.


Ah, nevermind.

I'm pretty sure the T50 is Hastings for a few reasons:

1. California's market is part-time heavy for whatever reason
2. California's bar
3. Hastings touted how many clerkships they placed into when I visited.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:08 pm

Oh God.

... Megathread anybody?

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby gwuorbust » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:10 pm

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:Oh God.

... Megathread anybody?


...what does this remind me of.....drawing a blank here...

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Hannibal » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:11 pm

Sup fellow Cleves.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby romothesavior » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:12 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:Oh God.

... Megathread anybody?


...what does this remind me of.....drawing a blank here...

:lol:

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:13 pm

Hannibal wrote:Sup fellow Cleves.

idk, I kinda like CMorMCers

But to those actually reading this: KAPLAN IS A TROLL, DO NOT LET HIS FALSE TEACHINGS STRAY YOU.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Grizz » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Checking in.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby gwuorbust » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
Hannibal wrote:Sup fellow Cleves.

idk, I kinda like CMorMCers

But to those actually reading this: KAPLAN IS A TROLL, DO NOT LET HIS FALSE TEACHINGS STRAY YOU.


there was some srs misinformation spread in this thread. I think the only way for us to control it is to flame this thread until mods choose to move it into the lounge.

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:22 pm

ATTN: http://www.top-law-schools.com/archives ... &start=475

see about halfway down the page for details on how to effectively begin a megathread

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Re: Cleveland Marshall School of Law VERSUS Mississippi College

Postby Hannibal » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:25 pm

delBarco wrote:I can easily see this thread turning into an alternate bp with romo, miami, radlaw, and trialjunky as the founding fathers.


When you're right, you're right.




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