Lawlcat wrote:I need to stop posting on 0L topics when I have work to do, but it HURTS ME SO MUCH.
I still have this in my copy/paste:
2007-2010 NLJ 250 + 2007-2009 Article III,
(i.e. % of year's graduating class in BigLaw + % in prestigious federal clerkships that put you in BigLaw or anywhere else you want, averaged)
School Total (all years available)
Chicago 74.1%
Stanford 73.4%
Columbia 72.8%
Penn 71.4%
Harvard 71.1%
Northwestern 67.1%
NYU 65.7%
Duke 64.3%
Cornell 64.3%
Michigan 62.3%
UVA 61.1%
Berkeley 60.8%
Vanderbilt 54.0%
GULC 50.4%
USC 45.2%
UCLA 44.3%
Two things:
(1) Not much difference in placing power until you hit GULC. No matter which set of averages you try, it's about 10-15% decline from tippy-top to "bottom". (Excluding HYS.)
(2) It's not CCN. It's CCP.
But 10-15% difference? Word on the street is that more students at schools like NYU, Berkeley, and Michigan choose PI because that's what they want to do than is the case at "CCP". (Perhaps GULC has similar things going on, e.g. with DC NGOs, or maybe its placement power really is weaker.)
Final note: one point of general agreement in the OCI threads from this past year was that GPA is not at all dispositive. 54% at University of IvyVille get BigLaw does NOT mean that the top 54% of the class (grade-wise) gets BigLaw. It seems to generally mean something like "54% of the class, mostly from the top 70% or so, get BigLaw". Firms are not ranked by USNWR and Vault does not care what their associates' 1L GPAs are. Many a below-median student has rejoiced, and many a high-GPA student has broken down in tears, when they realized The Greatest LSAT Logical Reasoning Question of All.
Prior to ITE what separated the t14 wasn't getting a big law job or not getting a big law job, it was how good of a big law job you'd get. Damn near everyone at even the lower t14 could get big law. When using NLJ data from the era you should understand that.
Class of 2011 is the first class that getting big law wasn't easy. And you'll see the tiers better. Rumors from that OCI puts it at
% Getting big law 2L SA / Schools
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90% YS
75-80% HLS
70% CCN
40-60% MVPDNC
>40 Gtown