glewz wrote:FlightoftheEarls wrote:glewz wrote:FlightoftheEarls wrote:Everyone keeps talking about Chicago's superior "higher level" clerkship placement. Can anyone share this data? I mean, it's one thing if we're talking about SCOTUS clerks - I think Penn students will concede that Chicago has an advantage there. But do we have any actual data that shows Chicago's superiority in COA placement, relative to Penn?
I guess what I'm asking is this: For the average student heading to Penn or Chicago who only wants an Article III clerkship (I say "only" rather tongue-in-cheek, because I think very few 0Ls realize just how difficult even district court clerkships are be to obtain - 3 out of every 4 of your future classmates won't be competitive for them), is there anything that I haven't seen circulating on TLS besides the SCOTUS numbers or Chicago's "4-6 USNews ranking" that is leading people to insist that Chicago is superior?
If this is all based on the SCOTUS numbers, that's fine - we should just say so then, instead of trying to pretend like SCOTUS clerkships measure COA placement any better than regular old Article III placement. If it is not, can anyone share this data? I'm specifically asking those who have stated that in this thread - Glewz and Younger Abstention.
The difference in statistics for CoA is negligible - SCOTUS is a different matter as you've mentioned, in which Chi is likely > Penn.
Edit: Though if all else were equal and my goals were CoA, I'd choose Chi
Yes, I've recognized that Chicago > Penn for SCOTUS placement. But where are you getting the COA stats comparison?
You can find this online @ USNews or some other authority. Here's a TLS article for 2009 stats. All you need to do is google clerkship statistics...
Yes, I see that, but those stats don't seem to suggest that Chicago has a "higher level" Article III clerkship placement advantage. To the contrary, Penn is slightly ahead of Chicago that year.
I suppose I'm being deliberately dense in an attempt to figure out why you're suggesting that Chicago is the go-to school for clerkships. I am actually well aware of the clerkship data; in fact, I'd already put together these stats for the past three years (already including the link you just posted, which is actually from several years ago, here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=149333&p=4122116&hilit=clerkship#p4122116), and this data certainly doesn't suggest any advantage for Chicago. So, naturally, this makes me wonder why people on TLS suggest that Chicago is the school to go to: is it because of superior SCOTUS placement, is it because of it's "4-6 ranking", or is it because of some other data source that I haven't seen? The general Article III stats certainly don't demonstrate any advantage, and in my linked post I actually questioned whether this would actually break TLS' incessant repetition of "CCN >> MVPBD for Article III clerkships." If you look at that very thread I linked, everyone instantly suggests that Columbia is the right call for clerkship prospects over several schools that repeatedly place as well or better - I can only wonder why that might be the case.
So, long story short, that's why I'm asking if you have any COA-specific data, if it's because of the general SCOTUS trends, or if it's because of the USNews "4-6 ranking" that you alluded to earlier.