WUSTL placement into coastal markets will affect my decision

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WUSTL placement into coastal markets will affect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:53 am

Can someone please provide numbers for Washington University's placement into non-midwestern cities (specifically Boston, NYC, D.C., San Francisco, and Los Angeles)? These don't have to be BIGLAW numbers. Just anything, really. Well...for the most part.

Thanks all in advance
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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:01 am

StateSchoolSplitter wrote:Can someone please provide numbers for Washington University's placement into non-midwestern cities (specifically Boston, NYC, D.C., San Francisco, and Los Angeles)? These don't have to be BIGLAW numbers. Just anything, really. Well...for the most part.

Thanks all in advance


I'm not sure, but I do know that Vanderbilt, WashU, and Tulane participate in a consortium off campus interview programs in NY, DC, and GA (WashU does not participate in the CA off campus program).

Ties are important, particularly outside of St. Louis and NYC.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby Total Litigator » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:03 am

If you don't care about Biglaw, you can basically find a job anywhere you have connections.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby cubswin » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:07 am

af·fect verb \ə-ˈfekt, a-\ : transitive verb : to produce an effect upon

ef·fect noun \i-ˈfekt, e-, ē-, ə-\ : something that inevitably follows an antecedent (as a cause or agent)

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby NotImportant » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:15 am

cubswin wrote:af·fect verb \ə-ˈfekt, a-\ : transitive verb : to produce an effect upon

ef·fect noun \i-ˈfekt, e-, ē-, ə-\ : something that inevitably follows an antecedent (as a cause or agent)



Waiting for the Cubs to win? No wonder your correcting people's grammar online; that's a lot of time to kill.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby Patriot1208 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:18 am

Bro, this is right on their website. It took me three seconds to find.

Geographical distribution of the Class of 2008:
(due to rounding does not equal 100%)

•New England 3%
•Mid-Atlantic 14%
•East North Central 16%
•West North Central 25%
•South Atlantic 17%
•East South Central 3%
•West South Central 6%
•Mountain 5%
•Pacific 8%
•Foreign 4%

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:19 am

NotImportant wrote:
cubswin wrote:af·fect verb \ə-ˈfekt, a-\ : transitive verb : to produce an effect upon

ef·fect noun \i-ˈfekt, e-, ē-, ə-\ : something that inevitably follows an antecedent (as a cause or agent)



Waiting for the Cubs to win? No wonder your correcting people's grammar online; that's a lot of time to kill.


+1

cubswin - noted (but I said the same thing in middle school)

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:20 am

Patriot1208 wrote:Bro, this is right on their website. It took me three seconds to find.

Geographical distribution of the Class of 2008:
(due to rounding does not equal 100%)

•New England 3%
•Mid-Atlantic 14%
•East North Central 16%
•West North Central 25%
•South Atlantic 17%
•East South Central 3%
•West South Central 6%
•Mountain 5%
•Pacific 8%
•Foreign 4%


Okay, and we all know to trust the data released on official university websites. Regardless, I'm looking for a bit more.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby flcath » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:22 am

StateSchoolSplitter wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:Bro, this is right on their website. It took me three seconds to find.

Geographical distribution of the Class of 2008:
(due to rounding does not equal 100%)

•New England 3%
•Mid-Atlantic 14%
•East North Central 16%
•West North Central 25%
•South Atlantic 17%
•East South Central 3%
•West South Central 6%
•Mountain 5%
•Pacific 8%
•Foreign 4%


Okay, and we all know to trust the data released on official university websites. Regardless, I'm looking for a bit more.

Bro, I doubt they're lying about this.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby Patriot1208 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:22 am

StateSchoolSplitter wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:Bro, this is right on their website. It took me three seconds to find.

Geographical distribution of the Class of 2008:
(due to rounding does not equal 100%)

•New England 3%
•Mid-Atlantic 14%
•East North Central 16%
•West North Central 25%
•South Atlantic 17%
•East South Central 3%
•West South Central 6%
•Mountain 5%
•Pacific 8%
•Foreign 4%


Okay, and we all know to trust the data released on official university websites. Regardless, I'm looking for a bit more.

Wait, what? Schools lie about employment data and salary data all the time. You said all you cared about was finding out where WUSTL places alltogether. There is no reason not to trust the geographical breakdown.

And you aren't going to find anything more because no one else cares to look beyond that.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:23 am

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
StateSchoolSplitter wrote:Can someone please provide numbers for Washington University's placement into non-midwestern cities (specifically Boston, NYC, D.C., San Francisco, and Los Angeles)? These don't have to be BIGLAW numbers. Just anything, really. Well...for the most part.

Thanks all in advance


I'm not sure, but I do know that Vanderbilt, WashU, and Tulane participate in a consortium off campus interview programs in NY, DC, and GA (WashU does not participate in the CA off campus program).

Ties are important, particularly outside of St. Louis and NYC.


Can you, or anyone, provide more information on this? I hadn't heard of the program before.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will affect my decision

Postby crit_racer » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:24 am

Has anyone translated those cryptic regional labels into actualy city/states? WTF is East North Central and West North Central?

West South Central=Texas?
East South Central=Louisiana/Alabama/Mississippi?

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:24 am

Patriot1208 wrote:
StateSchoolSplitter wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:Bro, this is right on their website. It took me three seconds to find.

Geographical distribution of the Class of 2008:
(due to rounding does not equal 100%)

•New England 3%
•Mid-Atlantic 14%
•East North Central 16%
•West North Central 25%
•South Atlantic 17%
•East South Central 3%
•West South Central 6%
•Mountain 5%
•Pacific 8%
•Foreign 4%


Okay, and we all know to trust the data released on official university websites. Regardless, I'm looking for a bit more.

Wait, what? Schools lie about employment data and salary data all the time. You said all you cared about was finding out where WUSTL places alltogether. There is no reason not to trust the geographical breakdown.

And you aren't going to find anything more because no one else cares to look beyond that.


I care if by Pacific they mean Sacramento, or if by mid-Atlantic they mean Baltimore, etc. It seems like an important distinction.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:26 am

flcath wrote:
StateSchoolSplitter wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:Bro, this is right on their website. It took me three seconds to find.

Geographical distribution of the Class of 2008:
(due to rounding does not equal 100%)

•New England 3%
•Mid-Atlantic 14%
•East North Central 16%
•West North Central 25%
•South Atlantic 17%
•East South Central 3%
•West South Central 6%
•Mountain 5%
•Pacific 8%
•Foreign 4%


Okay, and we all know to trust the data released on official university websites. Regardless, I'm looking for a bit more.

Bro, I doubt they're lying about this.


Fair. I just would appreciate the numbers broken down into cities rather than ambiguous regions.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will affect my decision

Postby Patriot1208 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:27 am

crit_racer wrote:Has anyone translated those cryptic regional labels into actualy city/states? WTF is East North Central and West North Central?

West South Central=Texas?
East South Central=Louisiana/Alabama/Mississippi?

those are official areas from the census bureau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re ... ated_areas

ETA seriously guys, google is your friend

Census Bureau-designated areas
US Census Regions and DivisionsRegional divisions used by the United States Census Bureau:[1]

Region 1 (Northeast)
Division 1 (New England) Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut
Division 2 (Mid-Atlantic) New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey
Region 2 (Midwest) (Prior to June 1984, the Midwest Region was designated as the North Central Region.)[1]
Division 3 (East North Central) Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio
Division 4 (West North Central) Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa
Region 3 (South)
Division 5 (South Atlantic) Delaware, Maryland, District of Columbia, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Division 6 (East South Central) Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama
Division 7 (West South Central) Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana
Region 4 (West)
Division 8 (Mountain) Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico
Division 9 (Pacific) Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Hawaii

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby Patriot1208 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:29 am

StateSchoolSplitter wrote:Fair. I just would appreciate the numbers broken down into cities rather than ambiguous regions.

The regions aren't ambiguous they are the census bureau regions and you aren't going to find it broken down in cities, I promise you.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby flcath » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:30 am

StateSchoolSplitter wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:Wait, what? Schools lie about employment data and salary data all the time. You said all you cared about was finding out where WUSTL places alltogether. There is no reason not to trust the geographical breakdown.

And you aren't going to find anything more because no one else cares to look beyond that.


I care if by Pacific they mean Sacramento, or if by mid-Atlantic they mean Baltimore, etc. It seems like an important distinction.

What you want is the firms into which WUSTL grads place. More important than your distinction is that you'd like to be able to tell a Cravath associate from a Walmart one.

Look directly on large firm websites and search for WUSTL grads. My impression of the school is that it attracts self-selecting middle Americans.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will affect my decision

Postby Patriot1208 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:34 am

Basically your answe is this

New england = 3% - this includes Boston and surrounding states, probably most of this is boston
Mid-Atlantic = 14% - It's pretty easy to think most of this is NYC
South Atlantic = 17% - DC is included in this but a lot of other states that people may want to move to as well, probably only half of this is DC.
Pacific = 8% - Most of this will be LA and SF
Total = Probably around 1/3 of the class ends up in the cities you want. How the job breakdown in those goes is anyones guess.

That is as detailed as you'll get.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will effect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:39 am

flcath wrote:
StateSchoolSplitter wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:Wait, what? Schools lie about employment data and salary data all the time. You said all you cared about was finding out where WUSTL places alltogether. There is no reason not to trust the geographical breakdown.

And you aren't going to find anything more because no one else cares to look beyond that.


I care if by Pacific they mean Sacramento, or if by mid-Atlantic they mean Baltimore, etc. It seems like an important distinction.

What you want is the firms into which WUSTL grads place. More important than your distinction is that you'd like to be able to tell a Cravath associate from a Walmart one.

Look directly on large firm websites and search for WUSTL grads. My impression of the school is that it attracts self-selecting middle Americans.


Thanks. Not sure what your last sentence means, though.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will affect my decision

Postby StateSchoolSplitter » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:39 am

Patriot1208 wrote:Basically your answe is this

New england = 3% - this includes Boston and surrounding states, probably most of this is boston
Mid-Atlantic = 14% - It's pretty easy to think most of this is NYC
South Atlantic = 17% - DC is included in this but a lot of other states that people may want to move to as well, probably only half of this is DC.
Pacific = 8% - Most of this will be LA and SF
Total = Probably around 1/3 of the class ends up in the cities you want. How the job breakdown in those goes is anyones guess.

That is as detailed as you'll get.


I wonder what it takes to be that 1/3 of the class. I'm sure that's not the top 1/3.

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Re: WUSTL placement into coastal markets will affect my decision

Postby crit_racer » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:40 am

he means ppl from StL/Chi go to WUSTL b/c they want to practice in StL/Chi and do not attempt to get to the cities you are talking about.

EDIT: I would disagree w/ that statement, tho. Seems like a lot of ppl (read: splitters) from the coasts end up at WUSTL b/c it's the only good school they get into. It seems foolish to think those ppl aren't trying to get back to the coasts...




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