Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

(Rankings, Profiles, Tuition, Student Life, . . . )

Where?

Cardozo ($30k-$70k)
16
48%
USC (~$200k debt)
17
52%
 
Total votes: 33

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby flexityflex86 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:36 pm

ku1185 wrote:
jarofsoup wrote:Put down a deposit at both and buy yourself a bit more time and talk to some more people. Thats what I am doing.


Yeah. If I'm not blown away (one way or another) at Cardozo tomorrow, I may have to do this.

flexityflex86 wrote:Is USC increasing tuition this year?

Yes. I believe the 2011-2012 tuition is $48,434, up $2,000 from last year. (hah, thx bk1)

I'd vote USC. The job prospects are substantially better. A significant percentage of Cardozo is unemployed. A significant percentage of USC makes 30-60k a year. I'd rather be paying off 200k debt with a 50k a year job, and still be able to live like a piper than have no job, and live with my parents at 30. That's my .02.

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:41 pm

flexityflex86 wrote:I'd vote USC. The job prospects are substantially better. A significant percentage of Cardozo is unemployed. A significant percentage of USC makes 30-60k a year. I'd rather be paying off 200k debt with a 50k a year job, and still be able to live like a piper than have no job, and live with my parents at 30. That's my .02.


Based off the 2009 numbers it seems like around 30% of Cardozo is unemployed/employed part time/employed in a non-legal job. You're right that neither of these options are really pretty. It would be nice if there was some school in the middle ground (e.g. Davis or Hastings at around 100k debt), but alas there is not.

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby flexityflex86 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:42 pm

bk1 wrote:
flexityflex86 wrote:I'd vote USC. The job prospects are substantially better. A significant percentage of Cardozo is unemployed. A significant percentage of USC makes 30-60k a year. I'd rather be paying off 200k debt with a 50k a year job, and still be able to live like a piper than have no job, and live with my parents at 30. That's my .02.


Based off the 2009 numbers it seems like around 30% of Cardozo is unemployed/employed part time/employed in a non-legal job. You're right that neither of these options are really pretty. It would be nice if there was some school in the middle ground (e.g. Davis or Hastings at around 100k debt), but alas there is not.

I don't trust those #'s at all or any #'s law schools put out that can be from unrepresentative sample sizes. I'm sure Cooley has a 120k median.

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby Stringer Bell » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:43 pm

bk1 wrote:whereas the majority of Cardozo grads are getting jobs that allow them to pay back 70k worth of debt fairly easily.


This could be debatable.

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:44 pm

flexityflex86 wrote:I don't trust those #'s at all or any #'s law schools put out that can be from unrepresentative sample sizes. I'm sure Cooley has a 120k median.


I'm talking about the data that is pulled from USNWR that represents data available for all graduates (and takes into account people who don't respond): viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:45 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:
bk1 wrote:whereas the majority of Cardozo grads are getting jobs that allow them to pay back 70k worth of debt fairly easily.


This could be debatable.


Majority? I don't think that's debatable. But I would agree that Cardozo at 70k may be only tenuously better than USC at sticker.

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby Stringer Bell » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:53 pm

bk1 wrote:Majority? I don't think that's debatable.


I'm too lazy to run the numbers right now, but I doubt living off of 40k in NYC (or whatever the bottom half at Dozo is making) is going to make it very easy to pay back 70k in loans.

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Re: Round 2: USC $ vs. Cardozo $$$$($)

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:55 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:
bk1 wrote:Majority? I don't think that's debatable.


I'm too lazy to run the numbers right now, but I doubt living off of 40k in NYC (or whatever the bottom half at Dozo is making) is going to make it very easy to pay back 70k in loans.


Actually I'll go back and say that you're right that it won't be easy but it will be doable for paying that back in 10 years. The same cannot be said for USC which will be impossible to pay back in 10 years on the salary of the majority.




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