Suffolk or William Mitchell??

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby romothesavior » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:46 pm

+1. I'm just sick of hearing these same old tired arguments. The majority of 3Ls at my T20 don't have jobs lined up for post-graduation yet (although I'm confident many of them will get them after passing the bar). But if T20 students aren't getting jobs, how do you think you're going to fare at WM or Suffolk?

Oh wait, I forgot about that magic ace up the sleeve... NETWORKING! And since no one at T14s tries to network, that leaves T2/3/4 students with all the networking opportunities.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby aliarrow » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:54 pm

romothesavior wrote:+1. I'm just sick of hearing these same old tired arguments. The majority of 3Ls at my T20 don't have jobs lined up for post-graduation yet (although I'm confident many of them will get them after passing the bar). But if T20 students aren't getting jobs, how do you think you're going to fare at WM or Suffolk?

Oh wait, I forgot about that magic ace up the sleeve... NETWORKING! And since no one at T14s tries to network, that leaves T2/3/4 students with all the networking opportunities.


TBF, your T20 is WUSTL...

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby firemed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:59 pm

aliarrow wrote:
romothesavior wrote:+1. I'm just sick of hearing these same old tired arguments. The majority of 3Ls at my T20 don't have jobs lined up for post-graduation yet (although I'm confident many of them will get them after passing the bar). But if T20 students aren't getting jobs, how do you think you're going to fare at WM or Suffolk?

Oh wait, I forgot about that magic ace up the sleeve... NETWORKING! And since no one at T14s tries to network, that leaves T2/3/4 students with all the networking opportunities.


TBF, your T20 is WUSTL...

:lol: :lol:

Still better than Suffolk or WM... which is the point, right?

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby romothesavior » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:00 pm

aliarrow wrote:
romothesavior wrote:+1. I'm just sick of hearing these same old tired arguments. The majority of 3Ls at my T20 don't have jobs lined up for post-graduation yet (although I'm confident many of them will get them after passing the bar). But if T20 students aren't getting jobs, how do you think you're going to fare at WM or Suffolk?

Oh wait, I forgot about that magic ace up the sleeve... NETWORKING! And since no one at T14s tries to network, that leaves T2/3/4 students with all the networking opportunities.


TBF, your T20 is WUSTL...

Oh zing!

Yes, I go to WUSTL, a school that in good years placed almost 1/3 of its class into NLJ + clerkships, and plenty more into respectable plaintiffs firms, solid PI and good government jobs. We've never been a national power, but we were still placing the vast majority of our classes into good jobs just a few years ago. That should give you an idea of just how bad the economy is right now. I wouldn't tell anyone to go to most T14s at sticker (or WUSTL at sticker), so you can bet your ass I think it is a HORRIBLE idea to go to either of these schools at sticker.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby MidlawMyth » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:01 pm

firemed wrote:
aliarrow wrote:
romothesavior wrote:+1. I'm just sick of hearing these same old tired arguments. The majority of 3Ls at my T20 don't have jobs lined up for post-graduation yet (although I'm confident many of them will get them after passing the bar). But if T20 students aren't getting jobs, how do you think you're going to fare at WM or Suffolk?

Oh wait, I forgot about that magic ace up the sleeve... NETWORKING! And since no one at T14s tries to network, that leaves T2/3/4 students with all the networking opportunities.


TBF, your T20 is WUSTL...

:lol: :lol:

Still better than Suffolk or WM... which is the point, right?
Not necessarily. WUSTL spurns local ties in an attempt at national reach. It fails. So you get squeezed both ways.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby romothesavior » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:02 pm

MidlawMyth wrote:Not necessarily. WUSTL spurns local ties in an attempt at national reach. It fails. So you get squeezed both ways.

Uh, no. But feel free to keep talking out your ass.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby Mark71121 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:05 pm

rofl @ this thread.

if ur considering going to a retard school, plz save urself the humiliation and soul crushing debt and do something else. some of u ppl are unbelievably naive.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby aliarrow » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:08 pm

Mark71121 wrote:rofl @ this thread.

if ur considering going to a retard school, plz save urself the humiliation and soul crushing debt and do something else. some of u ppl are unbelievably naive.


That was very insightful and original.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby alumniguy » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:10 pm

MidlawMyth wrote:Not necessarily. WUSTL spurns local ties in an attempt at national reach. It fails. So you get squeezed both ways.


What is this junior high school...you're cutting down the guy who goes to WUSTL and then extolling the great job opportunities at WM. Obviously you're just trying to cut the guy down.

WUSTL doesn't spurn local ties, there just aren't many biglaw shops in St. Louis. As a result, WUSTL grads disperse. Unlike WUSTL, WM grads can't disperse (so they are stuck with what the Minneapolis market has to bear - which isn't much these days).

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby firemed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:11 pm

aliarrow wrote:
Mark71121 wrote:rofl @ this thread.

if ur considering going to a retard school, plz save urself the humiliation and soul crushing debt and do something else. some of u ppl are unbelievably naive.


That was very insightful and original.



Yeah, except that apart from the use of the phrase "retard school" (since all schools actually do provide a really good education... just not the same opportunities) and his hideous grammar, this mark fellow seems to be totally correct.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby aliarrow » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:13 pm

firemed wrote:
aliarrow wrote:
Mark71121 wrote:rofl @ this thread.

if ur considering going to a retard school, plz save urself the humiliation and soul crushing debt and do something else. some of u ppl are unbelievably naive.


That was very insightful and original.



Yeah, except that apart from the use of the phrase "retard school" (since all schools actually do provide a really good education... just not the same opportunities) and his hideous grammar, this mark fellow seems to be totally correct.


I'm not against snark (after all, this is the internet), but if you're going to be a smart-ass, at least be funny and/or original.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby firemed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:15 pm

aliarrow wrote:
I'm not against snark (after all, this is the internet), but if you're going to be a smart-ass, at least be funny and/or original.


Fair enough. :D

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby alumniguy » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:16 pm

aliarrow wrote:
Mark71121 wrote:rofl @ this thread.

if ur considering going to a retard school, plz save urself the humiliation and soul crushing debt and do something else. some of u ppl are unbelievably naive.


That was very insightful and original.


Maybe not insightful or original, but certainly realistic. We should start a poll. Each person should ask 5 PRACTICING attorneys the following question:

I applied to many law schools but the best school I got accepted to was "TTT law school." I didn't get a scholarship and in order for me to attend I will need to finance my law school education through loans. I anticipate having $150k in debt upon graduation. If you were in my position, would you recommend that I go to law school or start thinking about alternative options?"

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Just what percentage of practicing attorneys do you think would recommend that the applicant attend law school? My guess is about 15% would recommend law school and the other 85% would say do something else.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby FeelTheHeat » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:18 pm

The meme potential with some of the posts in this thread is off the charts.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby firemed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:19 pm

alumniguy wrote:
Just what percentage of practicing attorneys do you think would recommend that the applicant attend law school? My guess is about 15% would recommend law school and the other 85% would say do something else.


Provided you limited this to people who graduated since 2000, I would be OK with that. I have noticed that a lot of practicing attorneys from the olden days seem to be unaware of what is going on. When you have been doing patents since 1990 and don't have any kids, it is easy to assume things are the way they were.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby aliarrow » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:23 pm

I looked up WM on Yahoo Answers to see if I could find anything from an old WM alum, no luck but I did find this gem:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 420AARfndO

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby alumniguy » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:24 pm

firemed wrote:
alumniguy wrote:
Just what percentage of practicing attorneys do you think would recommend that the applicant attend law school? My guess is about 15% would recommend law school and the other 85% would say do something else.


Provided you limited this to people who graduated since 2000, I would be OK with that. I have noticed that a lot of practicing attorneys from the olden days seem to be unaware of what is going on. When you have been doing patents since 1990 and don't have any kids, it is easy to assume things are the way they were.


It's possible, but the 150k in debt would certain raise some flags - even to practicing attorneys from the olden days.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby aliarrow » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:25 pm

alumniguy wrote:
It's possible, but the 150k in debt would certain raise some flags - even to practicing attorneys from the olden days.


Law school was like 40k for all three years in their day, so even a cheap school with a scholarship would raise red flags.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby firemed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:25 pm

alumniguy wrote:
firemed wrote:
alumniguy wrote:
Just what percentage of practicing attorneys do you think would recommend that the applicant attend law school? My guess is about 15% would recommend law school and the other 85% would say do something else.


Provided you limited this to people who graduated since 2000, I would be OK with that. I have noticed that a lot of practicing attorneys from the olden days seem to be unaware of what is going on. When you have been doing patents since 1990 and don't have any kids, it is easy to assume things are the way they were.


It's possible, but the 150k in debt would certain raise some flags - even to practicing attorneys from the olden days.



Touche.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby MidlawMyth » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:27 pm

alumniguy wrote:
firemed wrote:
alumniguy wrote:
Just what percentage of practicing attorneys do you think would recommend that the applicant attend law school? My guess is about 15% would recommend law school and the other 85% would say do something else.


Provided you limited this to people who graduated since 2000, I would be OK with that. I have noticed that a lot of practicing attorneys from the olden days seem to be unaware of what is going on. When you have been doing patents since 1990 and don't have any kids, it is easy to assume things are the way they were.


It's possible, but the 150k in debt would certain raise some flags - even to practicing attorneys from the olden days.
More like $200K these days.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby ResolutePear » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:31 pm

MidlawMyth wrote:
alumniguy wrote:
firemed wrote:
alumniguy wrote:
Just what percentage of practicing attorneys do you think would recommend that the applicant attend law school? My guess is about 15% would recommend law school and the other 85% would say do something else.


Provided you limited this to people who graduated since 2000, I would be OK with that. I have noticed that a lot of practicing attorneys from the olden days seem to be unaware of what is going on. When you have been doing patents since 1990 and don't have any kids, it is easy to assume things are the way they were.


It's possible, but the 150k in debt would certain raise some flags - even to practicing attorneys from the olden days.
More like $200K these days.


Can't wait until the bars start denying people bar admission for excessive debt. :P

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby firemed » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:43 pm

ResolutePear wrote:
MidlawMyth wrote:
More like $200K these days.


Can't wait until the bars start denying people bar admission for excessive debt. :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Won't happen. Even some T14 grads are coming out with numbers like that these days. Can you really see them saying "Hey, we know you graduated Yale, clerked for Justice Scalia, and have a job offer at the best firm in the state, but we totes can't admit you to the bar despite the fact that you aced the exam because you have $300K in debt combined from UG and LS. Peace out, yo."

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby aliarrow » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:50 pm

firemed wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
MidlawMyth wrote:
More like $200K these days.


Can't wait until the bars start denying people bar admission for excessive debt. :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Won't happen. Even some T14 grads are coming out with numbers like that these days. Can you really see them saying "Hey, we know you graduated Yale, clerked for Justice Scalia, and have a job offer at the best firm in the state, but we totes can't admit you to the bar despite the fact that you aced the exam because you have $300K in debt combined from UG and LS. Peace out, yo."


http://minnlawyer.com/jdr/2011/01/26/ba ... hool-debt/

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby ResolutePear » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:51 pm

firemed wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
MidlawMyth wrote:
More like $200K these days.


Can't wait until the bars start denying people bar admission for excessive debt. :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:



Won't happen. Even some T14 grads are coming out with numbers like that these days. Can you really see them saying "Hey, we know you graduated Yale, clerked for Justice Scalia, and have a job offer at the best firm in the state, but we totes can't admit you to the bar despite the fact that you aced the exam because you have $300K in debt combined from UG and LS. Peace out, yo."


One thing is to look at the aforementioned case, who will probably have his debt paid off with a couple of bonuses-

Another is to look at a guy who will make the equivalent to said bonus through 5 years of work.

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Re: Suffolk or William Mitchell??

Postby Patriot1208 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:53 pm

firemed wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
MidlawMyth wrote:
More like $200K these days.


Can't wait until the bars start denying people bar admission for excessive debt. :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Won't happen. Even some T14 grads are coming out with numbers like that these days. Can you really see them saying "Hey, we know you graduated Yale, clerked for Justice Scalia, and have a job offer at the best firm in the state, but we totes can't admit you to the bar despite the fact that you aced the exam because you have $300K in debt combined from UG and LS. Peace out, yo."

http://lawriot.com/2011/01/the-ohio-supreme-court-denies-bar-admission-based-on-student-debt/

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