drylo wrote: BruceWayne wrote:
Columbia and it's not even close. If you want to work in the South (particularly) Atlanta you're going to be competing with a large contingent of grads from "good" Southern schools. There will be plenty of Vandy grads competing with you for 6 figure jobs. As such firms will not be digging very deep into Vandy. Frankly, after seeing what Southern firms expect at UVA/Duke I would never choose to go to Vandy over Columbia with ties to the South and anything less than a full ride at Vandy. My guess is that if you fall below the top 1/3 at Vandy you are in deep trouble in regards to getting a 6 figure job in a non Nashville Southern city. Southern firms will love a Columbia grad with Southern ties.
Some earlier post said that Southern firms love to be able to say that they have associates from "Harvard, Columbia, UVA, Duke etc." They're right......
"Each year, Bondurant Mixson & Elmore invites a few exceptional law students to participate in its summer program in Atlanta. The program has welcomed students from Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia
, the University of Virginia...." http://www.bmelaw.com/careers-summer.html
And don't get to hyped about the "we don't rank students" thing. For all intent and purposes the only school that doesn't rank students is Yale and maybe H/S and Boalt. Everywhere else it's very easy for an employer to figure out your class rank--and they will. If you're at a school that uses a 4.0 GPA scale (like Vandy) it's downright laughable to think that employers don't know your class rank.
OK. You are free to have an opinion, but why do you hate Vandy so much?
First of all, you picked a random 30-lawyer firm in Atlanta who says that they have hired at least one summer associate from Columbia and does not mention Vandy. That is a fantastic sample size--one small firm that probably hires one or two summer associates per year and has no lawyers from either Vandy or Columbia. It's entirely possible that they have never hired a summer associate from Vandy, which would explain Vandy's absence from that list. But what would that prove, exactly? (By the way, I like your strategic decision to cut off the list after UVA--I guess "Emory, Duke, the University of Georgia, and Georgia State University" didn't exactly fit your prestige-centered, anti-Vandy narrative...)
Incidentally, how about you look at some other Atlanta firms for hiring patterns. Check out Alston & Bird: http://www.alston.com/professionals/Lis ... fd21&p=all
vs. http://www.alston.com/professionals/Lis ... d0de9cbe16
Also, nobody was getting "to [sic] hyped" about Vandy not ranking. The question was asked, and it was being answered.
You missed my entire point and you're using strawmans. In addition, you are too Vandy sensitive if you think that saying that it's a much better idea to go to Columbia (for someone with ties to the south) to get a 6 figure firm job in the South than it is to go to Vandy. That's not a knock on Vandy, it's just the truth. Firms will go much deeper into Columbia's class than they would Vanderbilt's.
I never said that Southern firms don't hire a lot from Vandy or any other Southern school; not only is that a serious strawman it's incredibly obvious that that would be a ridiculous claim. The focus of my point was the type of GRADES/class rank
needed for working at these Southern firms from Vandy vs. Columbia (or for that matter from the local Southern schools).
Do you know the type of grades most of the kids from schools like Ga State, UGA, Emory, and to a lesser extent Vandy have that get hired by the 6 figure Southern firms? Most of the kids at the first 2 have GPAs deep into the top 10 percent (if not top 5 percent + law review). At Emory their not going to be too far outside of the top 20 percent (if that). And I'm not just talking about Bondurant (that was clearly supposed to be anecdotal evidence). At firms like King and Spalding, Alston and Bird, Jones Day, Kilpatrick Stockton, Mckenna Long etc. a Vandy grad below median is almost assuredly out of luck. For someone like the OP, who is clearly very interested/most concerned with getting a 6 figure firm job, going to Vandy with that expectation is VERY dangerous. Only if he can get a GPA well above the mean is he safe. Frankly, he'd probably need to be top 20 percent to truly be safe. The gap in rank that these Southern firms will require or a Columbia grad with ties as opposed to a Vandy grad is HUGE. And to pretend otherwise is disingenuous and unfair to the OP.
Finally you were really excited to show how many Vandy grads Alsotn hired as if that rebutted my point. Not only does that no rebut my point, it strengthens it considerably. I was arguing that the grades/honors you will need much higher honors/grades from Vandy than you will from Columbia. Many of the profiles in your link feature 1. People who only went to Vandy for undergrad which doesn't count and 2. Vandy Law grads with excellent work experience prior to law school and honors like law review.
The reality is that if the OP attends Vandy and receives a GPA below the top 1/3, let alone below median, he will have a very poor chance of getting a 6 figure firm job. This isn't true from Columbia.