Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

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Which law school should I choose?

Cardozo May Part-Time (at sticker)
14
25%
Brooklyn (at sticker)
3
5%
Hofstra ($40,000 scholarship 1st year)
18
32%
St. John's ($25,000 scholarship 1st year)
15
27%
Pace ($22,000 scholarship 1st year)
0
No votes
NYLS ($30,000 scholarship 1st year)
2
4%
CUNY Queens (at sticker)
4
7%
 
Total votes: 56

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Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby MP24 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:24 pm

To give a little background, I live in manhattan and would be commuting to whatever school I choose from manhattan.

Hofstra offered me the largest scholarship for the 1st year, however, even if I remain in the top 40% of the class I only have the possibility of receiving $20,000 to receive over the next two years.

St. John's requires me to stay in the top 40% of the class to retain the scholarship. Pace requires me to be in the top 25% and NYLS in the top 15%. NYLS has the potential to give me the most money ($90,000) but with the highest stips attached.

CUNY Queens, St. John's, Hofstra, and Pace would all be either a long or an expensive commute. However, I don't know if Cardozo (part-time program) and/or Brooklyn have a great enough reputation to justify paying full-price for them. But, then I also realize that NYLS doesn't have a great reputation.

I'm curious about everyone else's thoughts. I should also add that I have no intention of retaking the lsat. So, that advice is not needed.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby Stonewall » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:26 pm

hofstra.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby ndirish2010 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:42 pm

Not sure I would go to any of these. Commuting to Hofstra from Manhattan won't be fun, with the only positive being that you'll be going against the normal traffic flow.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby Attorney » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:57 pm

Since these are schools where you assured of not getting a really high-paying job right off the bat, I'd go to the one that is the cheapest overall. Then your loans become easier to pay back.

So maybe you could tell us your total COA at each school assuming median or a little better? Maybe run the numbers with median (top 50%) and then run them again with top 40%. I wouldn't take top 15% or 25% stipulation scholarships into consideration, that is too difficult to count on and too much pressure to put on oneself.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby HeavenWood » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:10 pm

None of these. Your scholarship stipulations are awful and your shot at decent legal employment from any of these schools is a crapshoot at best.

If you have no intention of retaking the LSAT, don't go to law school.

Alternatively: Go to Hofstra, your cheapest option (and fight like mad to remove those stipulations, or at the very least, have them relaxed). Drop out if you lose your scholarship.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby dixiecupdrinking » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:36 pm

I voted CUNY. It's cheap and has a decent rep for public interest stuff.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby plum » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:48 pm

HeavenWood wrote:None of these. Your scholarship stipulations are awful and your shot at decent legal employment from any of these schools is a crapshoot at best.

If you have no intention of retaking the LSAT, don't go to law school.

Alternatively: Go to Hofstra, your cheapest option (and fight like mad to remove those stipulations, or at the very least, have them relaxed). Drop out if you lose your scholarship.


it's quite interesting that the "don't go to law school" advice is now popping up immediately among answers. when i was applying in the last cycle, this advice surely was not coming up in such a clearcut way, people were still encouraging of options like these various NYC schools. I'm really glad this has come out in the open because I can tell you from the tone of the last two cycles, from the advice that was being given, I could have very well ended up at BLS with significant debt and low job prospects and thought that was totally acceptable.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby bport hopeful » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:49 pm

I think that it would be a crime if you didnt at least consider UB.

They place magnificently in NYC

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby Cara » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:53 pm

None of the above.

Retake LSAT and get a good enough score for CLS/NYU or pick another career.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby last.chance » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:03 pm

St. John's and Hofstra are the same IMO. Because of your travel situation I would pick St. John's if they're willing to match Hofstra and possibly relax the stipulations.

If you're into Public Interest then CUNY is not so bad of an option considering the sub 15k tuition.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby dissonance1848 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:03 pm

Cara's being a bit harsh with the NYU/CLS bit, but yeah, your current options are screaming retake + applying to other schools besides those above.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby BaiAilian2013 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:05 pm

Need more background. Career goals?? Family to support? Family supporting you?

Do NOT go somewhere with a 25% or 15% scholarship stipulation. You will thank yourself this time next year.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby MrAnon » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:17 pm

St. John's is probably the best value. I wouldn't go to the bottom of the barrel schools because they flunk people out and if you get sick or something or have one screwed up exam it good be bye-bye. Don't go to Brooklyn for sticker -- that is nuts. NYLS is bottom of the barrel but I might consider it if (1) they agree to a continued scholarship with no stips and (2) you ensure they agree to not include you in any grade cutoff for being asked back to the school.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby YourCaptain » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:00 pm

None of these schools are worth the time, let alone the money.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby MP24 » Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:49 am

BaiAilian2013 wrote:Need more background. Career goals?? Family to support? Family supporting you?

Do NOT go somewhere with a 25% or 15% scholarship stipulation. You will thank yourself this time next year.



I'm just supporting myself with no financial support from the family. At this point in time, I'm most interested in Intellectual Property Law. On the USNAWR Intellectual Property list, Cardozo made it at #5, I believe, and NYLS at #26.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby BaiAilian2013 » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:48 pm

Do you have a background that will make you marketable in IP?

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby MP24 » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:11 pm

BaiAilian2013 wrote:Do you have a background that will make you marketable in IP?


I have a fairly strong background within the entertainment industry which is ideally what I would like to focus on. However, I know legal jobs in that industry are extremely competitive and that is why I'm trying to keep an open mind.

Also, thanks everyone for your responses so far!

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby BaiAilian2013 » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:57 am

I say go to whichever is cheaper out of St. John's and Hofstra. Try to get the stips removed, obviously, and if either has a scheme where you still get a lesser amount of money if you fail to get top 40% but still stay in some certain percentage (like top 50% instead of top 40%), factor that in. My understanding is assuming top 40% all three years, Hofstra gives you $60k (or $80k depending on how I'm reading that sentence) whereas St. John's gives you $75k, but tuition at St. John's is also a couple thousand higher. I just can't see Cardozo at sticker being a good idea without a serious ace in the hole - unless you can work full-time while doing the part-time program and pay for maybe half of it as you go.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby caleb1717 » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:39 am

St Johns for sure over Hofstra - St Johns has an amazing network of alum and an established reputable name (with national recognition) - Hofstra is still struggling to find its niche in the New York area and has been far eclipsed by Cardozo (an even newer school) and Touro nipping at its heels...

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby MP24 » Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:16 pm

BaiAilian2013 wrote:I say go to whichever is cheaper out of St. John's and Hofstra. Try to get the stips removed, obviously, and if either has a scheme where you still get a lesser amount of money if you fail to get top 40% but still stay in some certain percentage (like top 50% instead of top 40%), factor that in. My understanding is assuming top 40% all three years, Hofstra gives you $60k (or $80k depending on how I'm reading that sentence) whereas St. John's gives you $75k, but tuition at St. John's is also a couple thousand higher. I just can't see Cardozo at sticker being a good idea without a serious ace in the hole - unless you can work full-time while doing the part-time program and pay for maybe half of it as you go.


The Hofstra scholarship letter was very strangely worded. But, yes, it seems to state that the most I could receive would be $60,000.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby Cara » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:34 am

MP24 wrote:I'm just supporting myself with no financial support from the family. At this point in time, I'm most interested in Intellectual Property Law. On the USNAWR Intellectual Property list, Cardozo made it at #5, I believe, and NYLS at #26.


You overplayed your flame hand with the last two sentences but well done until then.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby koalatriste » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:13 am

E) none of the above!

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby XxSpyKEx » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:49 am

koalatriste wrote:E) none of the above!

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:15 am

koalatriste wrote:E) none of the above!


Not just being clever either.

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Re: Which NY Law School Should I Choose?

Postby thexfactor » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:41 am

i vote none.

if you held a gun up to my head and forced me to choose, I would choose NYLS and drop out if I am not in the top 15%.

Even if you get in the top 25% at pace, chances are that you wouldnt find a job.

Hope you get in the top 15% and then transfer. If not, then drop out. Low risk 1 years time and 15k and semi high reward of possibly transferring to a higher school and biglaw.




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