GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

(Rankings, Profiles, Tuition, Student Life, . . . )

Which School?

Northwestern
15
21%
Georgetown
22
31%
Duke
33
46%
UCLA
0
No votes
USC
2
3%
 
Total votes: 72

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby nealric » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:30 pm

You're still wrong. GULC has worse prospects than Duke and NU, that's factually accurate. The reason for those worse prospects is class size.


The most recent NLJ 250 placement has GULC and Duke basically identical. As a GULC alum, I would wager that GULC places better in biggov.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:55 am

kobebeef wrote:Just a quick update to this thread:

GULC (65k): Dean's Tuition Grant (Anyone know if this is separate from the merit scholarships?)

Duke (54k): Duke Law Scholarship

NU (0k): Really? I'm hoping they give me something after their initial financial aid deadline. I think they're being a bit stingy.

USC (90k)

Thoughts?


If you for sure want to practice in CA then take USC (it's probably the best option for making sure you aren't crippled by debt either). If you want to the possibility of going elsewhere (mainly NYC with a small chance at DC) then pick your favorite of GULC or Duke, but these are far riskier than USC.

If I were you I would take USC and stay in LA while being happy that even in the relatively worst case scenario (40-50k/year starting salary) you will be able to be debt free in 10 years.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby dpk711 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:59 am

bk1 wrote:
kobebeef wrote:Just a quick update to this thread:

GULC (65k): Dean's Tuition Grant (Anyone know if this is separate from the merit scholarships?)

Duke (54k): Duke Law Scholarship

NU (0k): Really? I'm hoping they give me something after their initial financial aid deadline. I think they're being a bit stingy.

USC (90k)

Thoughts?


If you for sure want to practice in CA then take USC (it's probably the best option for making sure you aren't crippled by debt either). If you want to the possibility of going elsewhere (mainly NYC with a small chance at DC) then pick your favorite of GULC or Duke, but these are far riskier than USC.

If I were you I would take USC and stay in LA while being happy that even in the relatively worst case scenario (40-50k/year starting salary) you will be able to be debt free in 10 years.

It would be extremely inconvenient paying off over 100K in debt in 10 years with a 40-50K salary.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:09 am

dpk711 wrote:It would be extremely inconvenient paying off over 100K in debt in 10 years with a 40-50K salary.


On the other hand, it would be basically impossible to pay off over 150k debt in 10 years with a 40-50k salary.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby kobebeef » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:15 am

bk1 wrote:
dpk711 wrote:It would be extremely inconvenient paying off over 100K in debt in 10 years with a 40-50K salary.


On the other hand, it would be basically impossible to pay off over 150k debt in 10 years with a 40-50k salary.


wow are we saying that $40-50k salaries are possible, even likely, coming out of "t-14" schools? that seems unnecessarily grim.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby rayiner » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:09 pm

kobebeef wrote:
bk1 wrote:
dpk711 wrote:It would be extremely inconvenient paying off over 100K in debt in 10 years with a 40-50K salary.


On the other hand, it would be basically impossible to pay off over 150k debt in 10 years with a 40-50k salary.


wow are we saying that $40-50k salaries are possible, even likely, coming out of "t-14" schools? that seems unnecessarily grim.


A big chunk of T14 graduates will make $40-50k.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby Redsgomarchingon » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:19 pm

kobebeef wrote:
bk1 wrote:
dpk711 wrote:It would be extremely inconvenient paying off over 100K in debt in 10 years with a 40-50K salary.


On the other hand, it would be basically impossible to pay off over 150k debt in 10 years with a 40-50k salary.


wow are we saying that $40-50k salaries are possible, even likely, coming out of "t-14" schools? that seems unnecessarily grim.


If TLS teaches you anything, it's this. A valuable lesson for naive 0Ls like myself. Although, I would disagree with "likely making 40-50K" for T14s. All the statistics I've seen suggest that at least 51% of all t14 grads (even GULC) are making more than that

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby 09042014 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:29 pm

Redsgomarchingon wrote:
kobebeef wrote:
bk1 wrote:
dpk711 wrote:It would be extremely inconvenient paying off over 100K in debt in 10 years with a 40-50K salary.


On the other hand, it would be basically impossible to pay off over 150k debt in 10 years with a 40-50k salary.


wow are we saying that $40-50k salaries are possible, even likely, coming out of "t-14" schools? that seems unnecessarily grim.


If TLS teaches you anything, it's this. A valuable lesson for naive 0Ls like myself. Although, I would disagree with "likely making 40-50K" for T14s. All the statistics I've seen suggest that at least 51% of all t14 grads (even GULC) are making more than that


That still leaves an awful lot of people. It's probably a third of people at MVPBDNC, and more like 45-50% at GULC.


OP should take that GULC freeride.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby rayiner » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:52 pm

Redsgomarchingon wrote:
kobebeef wrote:
bk1 wrote:
dpk711 wrote:It would be extremely inconvenient paying off over 100K in debt in 10 years with a 40-50K salary.


On the other hand, it would be basically impossible to pay off over 150k debt in 10 years with a 40-50k salary.


wow are we saying that $40-50k salaries are possible, even likely, coming out of "t-14" schools? that seems unnecessarily grim.


If TLS teaches you anything, it's this. A valuable lesson for naive 0Ls like myself. Although, I would disagree with "likely making 40-50K" for T14s. All the statistics I've seen suggest that at least 51% of all t14 grads (even GULC) are making more than that


"Likely" doesn't necessarily mean "more likely than not." It is the opposite of "unlikely."

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:48 pm

Desert Fox wrote:OP should take that GULC freeride.


In case it wasn't clear.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby Redsgomarchingon » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:51 pm

rayiner wrote:
Redsgomarchingon wrote:
If TLS teaches you anything, it's this. A valuable lesson for naive 0Ls like myself. Although, I would disagree with "likely making 40-50K" for T14s. All the statistics I've seen suggest that at least 51% of all t14 grads (even GULC) are making more than that


"Likely" doesn't necessarily mean "more likely than not." It is the opposite of "unlikely."


I didn't say using "likely" would be incorrect, but I wouldn't use it

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby rayiner » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:04 pm

Redsgomarchingon wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Redsgomarchingon wrote:
If TLS teaches you anything, it's this. A valuable lesson for naive 0Ls like myself. Although, I would disagree with "likely making 40-50K" for T14s. All the statistics I've seen suggest that at least 51% of all t14 grads (even GULC) are making more than that


"Likely" doesn't necessarily mean "more likely than not." It is the opposite of "unlikely."


I didn't say using "likely" would be incorrect, but I wouldn't use it


You said you "disagree with 'likely making 40-50k'" then make a statement that suggests you interpreted "likely" as meaning "more likely than not."

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby Redsgomarchingon » Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:18 am

rayiner wrote:
Redsgomarchingon wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Redsgomarchingon wrote:
If TLS teaches you anything, it's this. A valuable lesson for naive 0Ls like myself. Although, I would disagree with "likely making 40-50K" for T14s. All the statistics I've seen suggest that at least 51% of all t14 grads (even GULC) are making more than that


"Likely" doesn't necessarily mean "more likely than not." It is the opposite of "unlikely."


I didn't say using "likely" would be incorrect, but I wouldn't use it


You said you "disagree with 'likely making 40-50k'" then make a statement that suggests you interpreted "likely" as meaning "more likely than not."


As a personal preference, I disagree with using "likely" in a situation where the chance of something is less than 50%. I didn't say doing so would be illogical or ungrammatical. Disagreeing with the use of a word is not necessarily synonymous to declaring the phrase in which that word is used illogical or ungrammatical. I would use a different adverb.

You should go hang out in the LSAT forum. Your input would be much more appreciated there.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby kobebeef » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:54 pm

bk1 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:OP should take that GULC freeride.


In case it wasn't clear.


That is what I'm thinking too. I sent out feelers to Duke and NU asking them to up their scholarship offers but I doubt it's going to come close to what GULC can offer.

On a side note, I see a lot of current NU students responding to this thread, but not a lot of NU > other school arguments from them. I personally would prefer NU if given equal opportunity but its not looking too good right now.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby 09042014 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:58 pm

kobebeef wrote:
bk1 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:OP should take that GULC freeride.


In case it wasn't clear.


That is what I'm thinking too. I sent out feelers to Duke and NU asking them to up their scholarship offers but I doubt it's going to come close to what GULC can offer.

On a side note, I see a lot of current NU students responding to this thread, but not a lot of NU > other school arguments from them. I personally would prefer NU if given equal opportunity but its not looking too good right now.


I think NU is definitely better than Gtown, but not with zero at NU and a full ride at Georgetown. If they match, or nearly match I'd strongly recommend NU. Job placement, second only the T6 schools, in the heart of one of the best cities in America, it's a great place to study law. But damn, 170K is mad money.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby kobebeef » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:08 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
kobebeef wrote:
bk1 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:OP should take that GULC freeride.


In case it wasn't clear.


That is what I'm thinking too. I sent out feelers to Duke and NU asking them to up their scholarship offers but I doubt it's going to come close to what GULC can offer.

On a side note, I see a lot of current NU students responding to this thread, but not a lot of NU > other school arguments from them. I personally would prefer NU if given equal opportunity but its not looking too good right now.


I think NU is definitely better than Gtown, but not with zero at NU and a full ride at Georgetown. If they match, or nearly match I'd strongly recommend NU. Job placement, second only the T6 schools, in the heart of one of the best cities in America, it's a great place to study law. But damn, 170K is mad money.


I honestly don't understand the zero money from NU, especially given the amount I've gotten from other schools. At least throw me a bone and try to recruit me to go. Desert, I second all your factors about NU. Loved the location, campus etc when I did my interview except I'm from SoCal and I think I might just perish during the winter.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby 09042014 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:11 pm

kobebeef wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
kobebeef wrote:
bk1 wrote:
That is what I'm thinking too. I sent out feelers to Duke and NU asking them to up their scholarship offers but I doubt it's going to come close to what GULC can offer.

On a side note, I see a lot of current NU students responding to this thread, but not a lot of NU > other school arguments from them. I personally would prefer NU if given equal opportunity but its not looking too good right now.


I think NU is definitely better than Gtown, but not with zero at NU and a full ride at Georgetown. If they match, or nearly match I'd strongly recommend NU. Job placement, second only the T6 schools, in the heart of one of the best cities in America, it's a great place to study law. But damn, 170K is mad money.


I honestly don't understand the zero money from NU, especially given the amount I've gotten from other schools. At least throw me a bone and try to recruit me to go. Desert, I second all your factors about NU. Loved the location, campus etc when I did my interview except I'm from SoCal and I think I might just perish during the winter.


NU is weird with money. They throw a lot around but some people randomly get none. Though I know a fellow student who had NU match about 70% of a scholarship GULC gave her.

Winter can be brutal. Luckily I live 4 blocks from school so no matter how cold it is, it's not too bad.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby Marionberry » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:19 pm

kobebeef wrote:I didn't anticipate asking this question but quite simply GULC's ASW this past week surprised me in that:

1) I didn't meet a single prospective that felt convinced to go
2) The gratuitous amount of shit talking by the prospectives about anything and everything GULC related



Just though I'd mention I found this odd. I was at the same event and almost everyone I met was either committed to going, or very strongly considering it. I don't think that says too much, though, other than that people who would invest the time and money in attending an ASW probably do so because they're interested.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby kobebeef » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:29 pm

NU is weird with money. They throw a lot around but some people randomly get none. Though I know a fellow student who had NU match about 70% of a scholarship GULC gave her.

Winter can be brutal. Luckily I live 4 blocks from school so no matter how cold it is, it's not too bad.


Thanks for the advice! I dont believe GULC's intention to enroll is binding so I should be able to wait it out for NU's final aid decision next week.

Just though I'd mention I found this odd. I was at the same event and almost everyone I met was either committed to going, or very strongly considering it. I don't think that says too much, though, other than that people who would invest the time and money in attending an ASW probably do so because they're interested.


Unfortunately, I think it's because i sat in the Ivy league area of the room. Their gym is marvelous though...

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby Marionberry » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:33 pm

kobebeef wrote:Unfortunately, I think it's because i sat in the Ivy league area of the room. Their gym is marvelous though...


That may very well have something to do with it. The fitness center itself is really nice and the building is spectacular, but I was kind of underwhelmed by the weightroom. The hot tub and towel service kind of make up for it, I guess.

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Re: GULC vs. Duke vs. NU

Postby kobebeef » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:54 pm

Marionberry wrote:
kobebeef wrote:Unfortunately, I think it's because i sat in the Ivy league area of the room. Their gym is marvelous though...


That may very well have something to do with it. The fitness center itself is really nice and the building is spectacular, but I was kind of underwhelmed by the weightroom. The hot tub and towel service kind of make up for it, I guess.


True. I was hoping for a better free-weight selection but at least the full length lap pool is nice and i believe generally unused.




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