Future USMC JAG... post milt job prospects

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Postby trayball23 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:37 pm

How much will the law school you went to impact my job prospects after I leave the Marines.. either private or public... I am trying to pick a law school that will help me for a career after the military and this is very hard considering it is many years down the road

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Postby fatduck » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:42 pm

so glad you made a third thread

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Postby El_Gallo » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:43 pm

This thread is relevant to my interests.

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Postby trayball23 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:54 pm

i hate the thread police on this forum... if you dont have to something to contribute just don't read it.. if it pains you so much to see a different but similar question to a big topic then save yourself the time and don't read and certainly don't justify it bu responding ...

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Postby ScrabbleChamp » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:09 pm

Out of curiosity, WTF are you talking about? As a Marine, I'm not aware of any program were you can just go and sign-up to be a USMC Jag. You have to pass OCS and TBS, first. And, even then, you already have to have completed law school. The only other program I can think of is the PLC-Law option, and I don't believe the board has convened for that, yet. I guess I'm wondering as to how you already know, for a fact, that you are going to be in the USMC as a Jag. You have to remember that you still have to pass OCS and TBS, no small feat.

Also, you are seriously misunderstanding your service commitment. Yes, you must serve 8 years, but for PLC-Law, only 4 years is active. That means, for all intents and purposes, you serve 4 years and the last 4 years are in inactive reserve status, which means you can have a beard, do whatever you want. You are essentially out of the military and only risk being called back to service if there is WW3. So, 8 years is not the case.

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Postby Sandro » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:11 pm

Honestly for the amount of senseless threads you make, I seriously doubt you could pass whatever standards JAG has for their JD program. You make a new thread every day with some inane hypothetical, or something.

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Postby MGH1989 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:14 pm

there is a good thread somewhere on this (use search) where a guy who was becoming a AF JAG at the time talked about and answered a lot of questions in general about being a JAG and job prospects came up in it If I recall.

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Postby trayball23 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:22 pm

thanks i will look for it... love the advice.. hate the clausen avatar lol

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Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:23 am

trayball23 wrote:thanks i will look for it... love the advice.. hate the clausen avatar lol


Nice job completely avoiding answering/responding to my post. It's one thing to pretend to be in the Army, Navy, or Air Force, but it is entirely different when you try to pretend you are/have been accepted into a Marine program. That's just something you don't fuck around with.

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Postby Patriot1208 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:32 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
trayball23 wrote:thanks i will look for it... love the advice.. hate the clausen avatar lol


Nice job completely avoiding answering/responding to my post. It's one thing to pretend to be in the Army, Navy, or Air Force, but it is entirely different when you try to pretend you are/have been accepted into a Marine program. That's just something you don't fuck around with.

I assumed he was referring to PLC-Law which would have made it's decisions in the fall. At least that was my understanding when I looked into it.

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Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:47 am

Patriot1208 wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
trayball23 wrote:thanks i will look for it... love the advice.. hate the clausen avatar lol


Nice job completely avoiding answering/responding to my post. It's one thing to pretend to be in the Army, Navy, or Air Force, but it is entirely different when you try to pretend you are/have been accepted into a Marine program. That's just something you don't fuck around with.

I assumed he was referring to PLC-Law which would have made it's decisions in the fall. At least that was my understanding when I looked into it.


I was under the impression that decisions were not made until April-May. But, that was the least of my concerns. First, OP doesn't even refer to the program correctly... it is not hte USMC Jag program (as stated in another post), it is PLC-Law. Second, if OP were admitted into the program, he would know he does not have to serve 8 years, as he stated. The idea that his entire contract is active duty is ridiculous, and anyone that has the ability to interview well enough to be accepted into the program would know this.

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Postby Giddy-Up » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:35 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
trayball23 wrote:thanks i will look for it... love the advice.. hate the clausen avatar lol


Nice job completely avoiding answering/responding to my post. It's one thing to pretend to be in the Army, Navy, or Air Force, but it is entirely different when you try to pretend you are/have been accepted into a Marine program. That's just something you don't fuck around with.


What? Pretending to be in the Marines is worse than pretending to be in a different service?

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Postby crit_racer » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:50 am

Job prospects are pretty weak coming out of the USMC as a judge advocate (note they are referred to as this rather than JAGs like in every other branch). You'll get a lot of experience in criminal law as well as probate law, so I guess those are your two best options once you come out.

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Postby unc0mm0n1 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:58 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
trayball23 wrote:thanks i will look for it... love the advice.. hate the clausen avatar lol


Nice job completely avoiding answering/responding to my post. It's one thing to pretend to be in the Army, Navy, or Air Force, but it is entirely different when you try to pretend you are/have been accepted into a Marine program. That's just something you don't fuck around with.

I assumed he was referring to PLC-Law which would have made it's decisions in the fall. At least that was my understanding when I looked into it.


I was under the impression that decisions were not made until April-May. But, that was the least of my concerns. First, OP doesn't even refer to the program correctly... it is not hte USMC Jag program (as stated in another post), it is PLC-Law. Second, if OP were admitted into the program, he would know he does not have to serve 8 years, as he stated. The idea that his entire contract is active duty is ridiculous, and anyone that has the ability to interview well enough to be accepted into the program would know this.


He could be a FLEP'er. I don't know about the marines as i was in the Army JAG corps (not as a JA) but a Flep candidate is already in the Army as an officer then they are sent to law school (paid for by the federal government) upon successful completion (and passing the bar) they then change branches and become JAGs. They also get an extended service commitment. This is what I figured he was doing. Just a guess though.

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Postby unc0mm0n1 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:04 am

crit_racer wrote:Job prospects are pretty weak coming out of the USMC as a judge advocate (note they are referred to as this rather than JAGs like in every other branch). You'll get a lot of experience in criminal law as well as probate law, so I guess those are your two best options once you come out.


In the Army the term JA and JAG are used interchangeably. For instance we have a Staff Judge Advocate (SJA) or a Brigade Judge Advocate (BJA). Also in normal talk I normally would refer to my lawyers as JA's, most of the enlisted Soldiers would only refer to the lawyers as JAG's but they also thought because I was an officer in the JAG Corps I was an attorney, I wasn't, I was a legal administrator.

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Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:13 am

Giddy-Up wrote:What? Pretending to be in the Marines is worse than pretending to be in a different service?


Yes. It can easily be summed up like this: In the Army, you are a soldier. In the Navy, you are a sailor. In the Air Force, you are an airmen. In the Marines, you are a Marine. No silly name. Being a Marine is a way of life, not just a title nor a 9-5 job. It takes much more to become a Marine than it does any other service. No disrespect intended, but pretty much anyone can get through Army/Navy/Air Force basic, with maybe a small exception to Army Basic at Ft. Benning (yes, the Army has a different basic training for IT folks than infantry), where as it is very difficult to get through Marine Corps Basic.

To put in law school terms, pretending to be in the Marines is pretending to get accepted to Yale/Stanford. Pretending to be in the Army/Navy/Air Force is like pretending to be accepted to a good T2.

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Postby BlakcMajikc » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:34 am

I'll take an Academy grad over a Marine any day. :)

(And by Academy I mean West Point, the only academy that matters ;) Beat Navy!)

Really, its such a fringe debate. The OP shouldn't have made it sound like he was in JAG or a JA in any of the branches unless he already was accepted or at least in the service.

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Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:36 am

BlakcMajikc wrote:I'll take an Academy grad over a Marine any day. :)

(And by Academy I mean West Point, the only academy that matters ;) Beat Navy!)

Really, its such a fringe debate. The OP shouldn't have made it sound like he was in JAG or a JA in any of the branches unless he already was accepted or at least in the service.


Agreed. You're not in unless you're in. Regardless of whether you get a DEP ID card or are on inactive until graduate.

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Postby unc0mm0n1 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:39 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
Giddy-Up wrote:What? Pretending to be in the Marines is worse than pretending to be in a different service?


Yes. It can easily be summed up like this: In the Army, you are a soldier. In the Navy, you are a sailor. In the Air Force, you are an airmen. In the Marines, you are a Marine. No silly name. Being a Marine is a way of life, not just a title nor a 9-5 job. It takes much more to become a Marine than it does any other service. No disrespect intended, but pretty much anyone can get through Army/Navy/Air Force basic, with maybe a small exception to Army Basic at Ft. Benning (yes, the Army has a different basic training for IT folks than infantry), where as it is very difficult to get through Marine Corps Basic.

To put in law school terms, pretending to be in the Marines is pretending to get accepted to Yale/Stanford. Pretending to be in the Army/Navy/Air Force is like pretending to be accepted to a good T2.


I hope you're not a Marine. because you are a sad example of one if you are. The reason one "is a Marine" is because it's a subset of a larger organization, unlike the other forces. The marines are a part of the department of the Navy whereas the Army is the Army. Now Rangers which are a subset of the Army are called Rangers not Soldiers. I have friends who are in the Army and the Marines and during my two tours in the middle east we lost close to 160 people from my division mostly Army but quite a few marines and a couple of Navy guys and when you're a JAG having to do things like death investigations, FOIA requests, or Congressional inquires into the death of US service men and women I hope you don't have the same ignorant attitude you've displayed on this board. I've been on convoys with Marines and they are my brothers in arms, nothing more nothing less.

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Postby trayball23 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:44 am

Holy shit guys come on now... I have been accepted into the the PLC law program for USMC... i will go to OCS June 6th ... for the sake of the thread and job prospects I was saying I was a future JAG... I understand it is only 4 years big guy and I will be doing 5 1/2 to get the college tuition money... also this whole the Marines are better than the world things is so unbecoming.... i respect anyone who wears a uniform and serves our country equally... the pilots over Libya right deserve every ounce of respect as any hard charger.... I was looking for input on future job prospects just in case corps life isnt for me... still interested in hearing about that if anyone has incites

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Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:00 pm

blowhard wrote:You messed that up. It's "I'm in the Army," or "I'm in the Air Force," but for marines it's "I'm a marine."

Air Force basic isn't as much of a cakewalk as it used to be. Also, not EVERYONE can make it into the AF in the first place.

There isn't a big of a difference as you think. I knew lots of people in every branch and all are difficult in their own ways. Being a Marine isn't that special. Physically demanding...sure, but not the end all be all of challenging.

Also, the Marines are a special subset of the Navy. You're better to compare to specific subsets of the other branches. E.g. Infantry in Army or SF in AF.

Further, making it through basic ≠ making it. I know of lots of people that have been kicked out. I'd take someone who was successful in the Army/AF over someone who was kicked out of the Marines a year in every day.


I agree that not everyone can make it into the AF, as I think there min. ASVAB is 50, where as the Marines/Navy are 35 (I beleive), and Army is waiverable to 30. However, as far as basic trainging goes, you can't compare anything to the Marine Corps. Aside from the physical demands, the Marines have the most difficult rifle requirements (Marines must shoot 100 rounds hitting a designated area of the target the equivalent of 80% of the time, from ACTUAL distances of 25-500 meters, just to pass at the lowest level. In the AF, you shoot 40 rounds at simulated distances (actual distance of 25m) of 25-300m and you must hit the target, not a speficic area on the target, just hit it, 50% of the time to pass. The highest qual for AF requires hitting the target 88% of the time.)

But, yes, making it through boot camp does not equal making it. And, I don't know any Marines that see themselves as a subset of the Navy. Sure, we are Department of the Navy, but that does not mean the Navy controls us in anyway. It just means we report to the same bueracracy, but we have our own budget, own funding, etc... You could make the argument that the Navy supports the Marine Corps just as easily, as the Navy provides our medical professionals. The point is, in general terms, it means a lot more to be a Marine than it does to be a servicemember of another branch, IMHO.

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Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:14 pm

unc0mm0n1 wrote:I hope you're not a Marine. because you are a sad example of one if you are. The reason one "is a Marine" is because it's a subset of a larger organization, unlike the other forces. The marines are a part of the department of the Navy whereas the Army is the Army. Now Rangers which are a subset of the Army are called Rangers not Soldiers. I have friends who are in the Army and the Marines and during my two tours in the middle east we lost close to 160 people from my division mostly Army but quite a few marines and a couple of Navy guys and when you're a JAG having to do things like death investigations, FOIA requests, or Congressional inquires into the death of US service men and women I hope you don't have the same ignorant attitude you've displayed on this board. I've been on convoys with Marines and they are my brothers in arms, nothing more nothing less.

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The reason a Marine is a Marine has nothing to do with the fact that the Marine Corps is part of the Dept. of the Navy. The Depart of the Navy wasn't established until 23 years after the Corps was established, and the Corps existed for 59 years before being under the control of the DON. Are you telling me Marines were not Marines until 1834?

As far as being brothers in arms, I've not said anything to the contrary. And, if you aren't a Marine, I can't expect you to know what it is to be a Marine, as it isn't something you can understand unless you've been through the process of becoming a Marine. I simply stated that becoming a Marine is more difficult than entering into the other services, which is a statement I will defend all day long. I'm not putting down the Army, Air Force, or Navy. SEALs are awesome, as are Rangers/SF, and Pararescue. Each branch is necessary and each branch has their specialties.

I'm not sure why you took my statements to be derogatory, as they were not. I served overseas with people from Navy, Air Force, and Army. My best friend is SF and we give each other shit all the time because I swear FORECON is better than SF and he tells me I'm wrong. But, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter when the shit hits the fan.

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