Redsgomarchingon wrote: thegreatk wrote:
Redsgomarchingon wrote:UC Irvine has no reputation and no alumni base. There's already six Tier 1 California schools, and UC Irvine as an undergraduate institution is not ranked high, so there's no reason to believe their law school would even qualify as a Tier 1 anytime soon.
If these are your only choices, go to UT. Not to demean UC Irvine, but this is a very easy decision.
Why I think you are wrong:
The undergraduate school is top 50 on USNWR. (41, to be exact).
The law school has #9 faculty, top 20 student numbers (the medians are looking to be similar to UCLA and USC), and is likely to score far higher on peer review than many other law schools with parallel numbers. UCI is also giving job support to all students, not just the top 30 or 40%, which should give them a boost in job numbers.
Don't spew BS when somebody is trying to make an important decision. Damn near every poster on TLS will admit that Irvine comes with risk, but it would be ridiculous to think they won't start off as a T-1 institution.
they got those medians because they gave everyone in the class a full tuition scholarship. Now it's down to one-third. Lets see if those numbers hold when people are accepted to guaranteed top 20s, or have over 1/3 scholarships to a T30.
also, I could not find this #9 faculty ranking. (I found this, but the study mentioned is not named or cited there either: http://abovethelaw.com/2009/04/uc-irvin ... ve-status/
) Please cite.
Is likely to score far higher on peer review? Please elaborate. And every school gives job support to all their students. Granted, UC Irvine might have an easier job of it since they only have 60 students. (or 120, maybe I'm looking at old data)
EDIT: After doing some research, I take back saying that UC Irvine would not be a tier 1: it looks like there's a decent chance. But UT would still obviously be a better choice (versus a 1/3 scholarship), even for SoCal
1. Agreed, there may be some drop, however I'm pretty sure the numbers I saw were from last year, with the 1/2 scholarship. Not that much of a difference between 1/2 and 1/3.
2. http://www.leiterrankings.com/new/2010_ ... pact.shtml
3. I guess this is more of a prediction/guess, but I think the tiny student/faculty ratio, the tight-knit community, the self selecting sample (those who attend Irvine will care less about rankings and more about their experience, which means less stress, which means happier students), and lack of class ranking will all lead to UCI students giving their institution very high peer review ratings, which is (I believe) a key part of the USNWR rankings. And, not that this matters, but this year's class is looking to be about 100 students (or so UCI predicts).
3a. From research I've done, many top tier schools do not give job support to the lower ranked students. But, I'm a 0L, so that's knowledge absorbed mostly from this board.