Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)

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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)

Postby DeeCee » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:03 pm

Hey, I used the site and it came out perfect for me-- that I should attend UNC based on my preferences, when I put in UNC (my acceptance), and UVA and Penn (WLs). I think it works pretty well.

The only thing I noticed is that you have tuition + COL set too low for UNC. When I went to ASD they estimated it at 40,000ish (about 19,000 tuition + 21,000 COL) , whereas your database estimates 36,000ish total. Perhaps UNC is anticipating for a large tuition and COL hike for Fall '11 and these numbers are not officially out yet, though.

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Postby aliarrow » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:05 pm

DeeCee wrote:Hey, I used the site and it came out perfect for me-- that I should attend UNC based on my preferences, when I put in UNC (my acceptance), and UVA and Penn (WLs). I think it works pretty well.

The only thing I noticed is that you have tuition + COL set too low for UNC. When I went to ASD they estimated it at 40,000ish (about 19,000 tuition + 21,000 COL) , whereas your database estimates 36,000ish total. Perhaps UNC is anticipating for a large tuition and COL hike for Fall '11 and these numbers are not officially out yet, though.


Yeah all my tuition is for the 2010-2011 School year since this is whats on the USNews profiles (I simply didnt have enough time to scrounge through each schools website for 2011-2012 figures, I'll update that later when I have more time).

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Postby bk1 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:08 pm

aliarrow wrote:
DeeCee wrote:Hey, I used the site and it came out perfect for me-- that I should attend UNC based on my preferences, when I put in UNC (my acceptance), and UVA and Penn (WLs). I think it works pretty well.

The only thing I noticed is that you have tuition + COL set too low for UNC. When I went to ASD they estimated it at 40,000ish (about 19,000 tuition + 21,000 COL) , whereas your database estimates 36,000ish total. Perhaps UNC is anticipating for a large tuition and COL hike for Fall '11 and these numbers are not officially out yet, though.


Yeah all my tuition is for the 2010-2011 School year since this is whats on the USNews profiles (I simply didnt have enough time to scrounge through each schools website for 2011-2012 figures, I'll update that later when I have more time).


USNWR profiles has data from differing years (yeah, they're that lazy). I'm not expecting you to correct the difference, just pointing it out.

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Postby protein » Wed May 04, 2011 4:24 am

awesome graphs + awesome picker site

well done OP :D

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Postby CinnamonRose » Wed May 18, 2011 3:42 pm

So here is a question for grads especially but
a snapshot in any given year is very helpful but a trend over 2-3 years is even more so for someone considering one school over the other - and can indicate anything from new Career Services focus to better quality teaching/graduates to bad overall job market to other issues

any way I could find that?

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Postby Jumborific » Tue May 24, 2011 4:21 pm

What is the margin for statistical significance in these graphs? Some of the variation between schools could likely be explained by chance alone no?

Plug this into SPSS and run the tests.

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Postby aliarrow » Tue May 24, 2011 4:23 pm

Jumborific wrote:What is the margin for statistical significance in these graphs? Some of the variation between schools could likely be explained by chance alone no?

Plug this into SPSS and run the tests.


Heh, it would be interesting to use statistics to break off official statistically significant tiers. But that might be overdoing it. For now eyeballing the graphs will suffice.

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Postby spacepenguin » Tue May 24, 2011 10:23 pm

aliarrow wrote:
Jumborific wrote:What is the margin for statistical significance in these graphs? Some of the variation between schools could likely be explained by chance alone no?

Plug this into SPSS and run the tests.


Heh, it would be interesting to use statistics to break off official statistically significant tiers. But that might be overdoing it. For now eyeballing the graphs will suffice.



one would also need the standard deviation of each schools salary distributions to make any statistical test viable.

Would be cool though.

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Postby smithc2011 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:37 pm

a few of the T15 images appear to be down, does anybody have copies?

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Postby jenesaislaw » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:11 pm

smithc2011 wrote:a few of the T15 images appear to be down, does anybody have copies?


I'm pretty sure all of the information is available at --LinkRemoved-- One thing we do not do is carve out the NLJ 250 portion of the firm percentage because the denominators do not translate well.

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Postby madisonsmith5599 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:14 am

Thanks to OP for this extremely useful information and presentation. Has anyone done this for the Class of 2010? Or is all the relevant data not available yet?

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Postby Strange » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:46 pm

Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?

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Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:49 am

Strange wrote:Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?


JD preferred presumably would be white collar jobs (procurement/negotiators/contracts/NCAA/regulatory/etc.). However, I don't think it has been defined exactly.

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Postby Strange » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:59 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
Strange wrote:Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?


JD preferred presumably would be white collar jobs (procurement/negotiators/contracts/NCAA/regulatory/etc.). However, I don't think it has been defined exactly.


What I mean is that in terms of "job quality" for the sake of using this data for 0L decisions, is Bar Required better, or JD preferred, or does it not indicate anything? Might be a stupid question.

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Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:36 pm

Strange wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
Strange wrote:Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?


JD preferred presumably would be white collar jobs (procurement/negotiators/contracts/NCAA/regulatory/etc.). However, I don't think it has been defined exactly.


What I mean is that in terms of "job quality" for the sake of using this data for 0L decisions, is Bar Required better, or JD preferred, or does it not indicate anything? Might be a stupid question.


It's impossible to answer that question because job quality is very subjective.

For example: What job is best?
A. Corporate Associate at small firm $35K (bar required)
B. Procurement Specialist $45K (JD preferred)
C. Public Defender $40K (bar required)
D. NCAA Compliance Associate $40K (JD preferred)
E. Property Management Associate $38K (JD preferred) (performing leases and sales for a single company)

Each job is career track. Each offer valuable skills that will make the candidate attractive after a few years of experience. A room full of people would select different jobs.

A lot of people would claim that if they do not get a JD required job after graduation, then anything else is something they don't want. I'm not convinced that that's the right approach if you look at things in terms of career and not just in the short term.

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Postby 005618502 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:04 pm

Hey everyone. This has been around for quite some time and feel free to ignore if this has been discussed. But what is the deal with these graphs? Are they accurate?

If I am reading it correctly it looks like about 85% of people at UVA (for example) came out well. Including clerks, academia, and "other firm"

is "other firm" negative (Shitlaw?) OR what is the deal? I feel like this makes things seem way better than I have heard lately.

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Postby r6_philly » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:48 pm

From the chart, anything other than NJL250 firms.

I want to see CO2010, and summer job info.

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Postby 005618502 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:55 pm

r6_philly wrote:From the chart, anything other than NJL250 firms.

I want to see CO2010, and summer job info.


Is this a response to my comment?

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Postby r6_philly » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:21 am

AssumptionRequired wrote:
r6_philly wrote:From the chart, anything other than NJL250 firms.

I want to see CO2010, and summer job info.


Is this a response to my comment?


First part is. If I remember it was compiled with submitted data so if you trust the underlying data... I would think the firm data is fairly accurate. But other firms is the catch all which should include solos.

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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)

Postby ahduth » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:24 am

AssumptionRequired wrote:Hey everyone. This has been around for quite some time and feel free to ignore if this has been discussed. But what is the deal with these graphs? Are they accurate?

If I am reading it correctly it looks like about 85% of people at UVA (for example) came out well. Including clerks, academia, and "other firm"

is "other firm" negative (Shitlaw?) OR what is the deal? I feel like this makes things seem way better than I have heard lately.


Can't be all shit law, boutique appellate and admin firms like Kellogg Huber aren't in the NLJ250 are they?

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Postby sjedood » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:04 am

whoever put this together had way too much time on his/her hands

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Postby bk1 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:51 pm

sjedood wrote:whoever put this together had way too much time on his/her hands I'm a douche.


Oh okay, gotcha.

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Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:09 pm

Wait--Class of 2009 is still in the boom economy right? (Went through OCI in 2008) Or is this the forgotten class right after? If it's boom economy, the salary data might make sense. But that means this data is pretty useless since the boom times are never going to return.

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Postby ahduth » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:35 pm

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:Wait--Class of 2009 is still in the boom economy right? (Went through OCI in 2008) Or is this the forgotten class right after? If it's boom economy, the salary data might make sense. But that means this data is pretty useless since the boom times are never going to return.


They OCI'd in 2007, I think things were starting to turn to shit during OCI? At any rate, I want to say this is one of the classes that got majorly non-offered. I could be wrong, I have a lot of jurisdiction in my head right now.

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Postby Strange » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:41 pm

These stats and the ones on LST are truly frightening. Example, you have over 40% of Hastings grads who are not confirmed to have full time legal work. Am I interpreting this correctly? Why would anyone want to some of these Tier 1 schools with a 40% chance of failure?




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