arvcondor wrote:OP did not ask for how to best get into corporate/business law. OP asked how best, out of the schools he has at hand, to get into corporate/business law. I'm sick of seeing threads in which people post a list of four schools, ask for advice on them, and get flooded with 0L responses of "LOL NONE OF THEM YOU TTT YOU'RE GOING TO DIE." This in no way helps the poster, who we can assume has already decided to attend school and is choosing between the listed schools. Responding to someone asking for help deciding between a Honda Accord and a Toyota Camry with "Dude, a Ferrari is better" is not beneficial.
Second, the notion that no one outside the T14 gets corporate law is ridiculous 0L idiocy. Yes, there is a significantly smaller chance of landing these jobs from regional schools. OP is asking which has the larger chance. As a Philly resident, Temple and Nova place significant numbers of graduates into the large firms here. Pitt places large numbers of its graduates into Pittsburgh firms. Look at any large law firm outside NY/DC/CA and you'll see that the regional schools, while not placing as many into these firms as better schools, place enough that statements like "you've got to be the valedictorian or you're fucked" are utterly absurd.
And saying that a school places X% of its grads into the NLJ 250 =/= you have to be in the top X%. I'm not sure where this idea came from.
LOL. Dude, I'm a 2L who transferred from a Philly-area TT, so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about. Are you a 2L with experience? Do you know people at both Temple and Villanova who went through OCI? Do you personally know of people on LR that did exceptionally well during 1L, only to get shut-out at OCI? Have you spoken with people in law school who've had to foreclose on their dreams? Do you want to tell OP that everything is going to be great and that he/she will SURELY get a position doing corporate transactional practice in Wilmington, Philadelphia, or Pittsburgh? Are you going to be the one to coddle OP, telling him/her that an ~11% NLJ250 hiring rate is "significant" enough that he/she should go ahead and take-on a massive amount of debt? (As an aside, if I might add, that ~11% number includes BOTH litigation and corporate transactional practice, the former representing the vast majority of those positions, so I bet I'm not too far off in guessing that of the ~11% going into NLJ250 firms, probably 4-5% of them are doing corporate work.)
I'm guessing your responses to most, if not all, of these questions would be a hollow "no." Don't tell me that I don't know anything. That's offensive. Did you even look through my posting history? Listen, I'm going to give both you and OP a little nugget of advice: temper your expectations about law school.
I went to a TT with $0 scholarship. I researched my decision, and I knew what I was getting into. I knew that I'd have around a 10-15% chance at an NJL250 firm, which was what I wanted to do. In retrospect, was my decision to matriculate a rational one? Maybe. I got really lucky during 1L, ended up near the top of my class, transferred, and got a biglaw job. Before I matriculated, however, I tempered my expectations about what types of jobs I might be able to find. Betting you're going to end up around the top 15-20% (LOL, contrary to the above posters last line, you don't get interviews at OCI unless you're AT LEAST in the top 20%...I have TONS of anecdotal examples of this from my TT, in case you're wondering) is a poor bet. Yet, if you resign yourself to a job less lustrous, like a small firm (not hating on small firms, they provide great training opportunities and some great lawyers are in small firms), then you increase your chances of finding fulfilling employment after graduation...this is tempering expectations
. Moreover, contrary to what the above poster discussed about saying only people going to top schools are going to be happy, I think the advice to temper expectations runs to just about every student who matriculates at a law school, regardless of his/her school. Students at Harvard end up jobless. Maybe not nearly as many as those from Philly-area TT schools, but some do.
Listen, this is all a numbers game. Law school grading is a sprinkle hard work, a dash of raw intelligence, and a boatload of luck. Telling someone they'll perform well in law school is like betting on the world series before the baseball season has even started. These fallacies are why we have like 150 law schools, blogs like T14 Paradise, and armies of angry graduates who feel defrauded by their universities when they move home after graduation. For me or any other upperclassman to tell OP he/she will have a better shot at A/B/C school without adding the caveat about tempering expectations would be just like the same fraudulent advice and guidance that leads the unwitting to law school in the first place. Sure, OP has a marginal, outside shot, but it's not a good shot. Should I recommend otherwise?
OP, please, make sure you do your homework before matriculating. If you do, and you temper your expectations, then enjoy school.
Oh, and contrary to what the above poster thinks of my expertise, I'm not so misinformed or idiotic.