2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby dr123 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:30 pm

Why are you guys gettin so worked up over this tomfoolery. UNSWR rankings are largely meaningless

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby lisjjen » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:30 pm

flcath wrote:
czelede wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:UT is now a T14


T14 is the distinction for schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point or the other. UT is not a T14. It is ranked in the top 14 though, for this year.

Lol no.


Lol no x 2

There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby NZA » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:30 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Go blue

+1 Rankings don't matter all that much, but it's still sweet.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:30 pm

akili wrote:
NZA wrote:Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, congrats to Texas, eh? :shock:

ETA: Guess they can thank employment stats?


RIGHT?

ummm, no Texas has the lowest employment % of any school in the top 20 except Gtown, which is .5% lower.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby chup » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:31 pm

BlueDiamond wrote:I still think the Davis movement is the biggest scam of the year

Davis pwns in BIGIRRIGATION law.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby BlueDiamond » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:31 pm

DrackedaryMaster wrote:Oh, snap, not that specialty rankings matter, but UF passed GTown for #2 in Tax law.


its actually the only specialty that might matter

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby lzyovrachievr » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:31 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Go blue

Credited.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby rman1201 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:31 pm

The employment data seems a LOT more detailed.
Heres BU, the only school I'm really into, as an example:

Law School Careers

Bar Statistics (Winter and Summer 2008 administrations)

State where the greatest number of first-time test takers took the bar MA
Bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 96.1% - High
Statewide bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 87.1%
Class of 2008 Graduates

Total graduates 269
Graduates known to be employed at graduation 85.5% - Medium
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 94.4% - Medium
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Graduation

Graduates whose employment status is unknown 1.5%
Graduates whose employment status is known 98.5%
Graduates known to be employed 86.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 10.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Nine Months

Graduates whose employment status is unknown 0.4%
Graduates whose employment status is known 99.6%
Graduates known to be employed 94.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 2.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Starting Salaries of Graduates Employed Full-time (Class of 2008)

25th percentile private sector starting salary $111,000
Median private sector starting salary $160,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $160,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 85%
Median public service starting salary $50,000
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2008)

Percent employed in academia 17.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 6.0%
Percent employed in government 4.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 9.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 1.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 0.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 3.5%
Employment Location (Class of 2008)

Graduates employed in-state 49%
Graduates employed out-of-state 47.0%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 2%
Number of states where graduates are employed 25
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 53.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 20.0%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 4.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 0.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 12.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.0%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 2.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 4.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 1.0%
Employment location unknown 2.0%
Career Services

(Data appear as originally submitted by this school)
Career services operations Staffed by 7 attorneys, 4 administrators, and part-time attorney advisers. Students have access to more than 400 employers through on-and off-campus recruiting. Assistance is provided through individual advising, resume writing, interviewing and networking techniques and numerous programs, often featuring practicing attorneys. The office maintains extensive career-related resources.
Job Type

Bar admission required/anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks) 96.0%
Bar admission required/anticipated - percent employed in full-time positions 80.7%
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent) 2.0%
J.D. preferred - percent employed in full-time positions 100.0%
Professional other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse) 1.0%
Professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 0.0%
Non-professional other (job that does not require any professional skills or training or is taken on a temporary basis and not viewed as part of a career path) 1.0%
Non-professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 50.0%

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby chup » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:31 pm

lisjjen wrote:
flcath wrote:
czelede wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:UT is now a T14


T14 is the distinction for schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point or the other. UT is not a T14. It is ranked in the top 14 though, for this year.

Lol no.


Lol no x 2

There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.

Holy fucking shit please tell me you're trolling.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:32 pm

YourCaptain wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Emory.

Why. Nobody cares.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby NZA » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:32 pm

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
akili wrote:
NZA wrote:Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, congrats to Texas, eh? :shock:

ETA: Guess they can thank employment stats?


RIGHT?

ummm, no Texas has the lowest employment % of any school in the top 20 except Gtown, which is .5% lower.

Why the bump?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:32 pm

Thought Michigan's GPA/LSAT numbers were pretty damn impressive, to be honest. Not a lot of difference between us and Chicago.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Knock » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:32 pm

rman1201 wrote:The employment data seems a LOT more detailed.
Heres BU, the only school I'm really into, as an example:

Law School Careers

Bar Statistics (Winter and Summer 2008 administrations)

State where the greatest number of first-time test takers took the bar MA
Bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 96.1% - High
Statewide bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 87.1%
Class of 2008 Graduates

Total graduates 269
Graduates known to be employed at graduation 85.5% - Medium
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 94.4% - Medium
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Graduation

Graduates whose employment status is unknown 1.5%
Graduates whose employment status is known 98.5%
Graduates known to be employed 86.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 10.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Nine Months

Graduates whose employment status is unknown 0.4%
Graduates whose employment status is known 99.6%
Graduates known to be employed 94.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 2.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Starting Salaries of Graduates Employed Full-time (Class of 2008)

25th percentile private sector starting salary $111,000
Median private sector starting salary $160,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $160,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 85%
Median public service starting salary $50,000
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2008)

Percent employed in academia 17.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 6.0%
Percent employed in government 4.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 9.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 1.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 0.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 3.5%
Employment Location (Class of 2008)

Graduates employed in-state 49%
Graduates employed out-of-state 47.0%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 2%
Number of states where graduates are employed 25
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 53.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 20.0%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 4.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 0.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 12.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.0%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 2.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 4.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 1.0%
Employment location unknown 2.0%
Career Services

(Data appear as originally submitted by this school)
Career services operations Staffed by 7 attorneys, 4 administrators, and part-time attorney advisers. Students have access to more than 400 employers through on-and off-campus recruiting. Assistance is provided through individual advising, resume writing, interviewing and networking techniques and numerous programs, often featuring practicing attorneys. The office maintains extensive career-related resources.
Job Type

Bar admission required/anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks) 96.0%
Bar admission required/anticipated - percent employed in full-time positions 80.7%
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent) 2.0%
J.D. preferred - percent employed in full-time positions 100.0%
Professional other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse) 1.0%
Professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 0.0%
Non-professional other (job that does not require any professional skills or training or is taken on a temporary basis and not viewed as part of a career path) 1.0%
Non-professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 50.0%


Can we get this info for the entire T13?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FiveSermon » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:32 pm

For employment data, does it still count wal mart jobs?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby birdlaw117 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:33 pm

thecilent wrote:Damn no T6 movement. Wanted to see some action

True story, but I'd rather see some positive movement while I'm looking for jobs there (as if it actually had an impact on jobs :roll: )

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby tgir » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:33 pm

Thanks so much, Mickey Quicknumbers. Do they show the schools' total raw scores, by any chance?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby protein » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:33 pm

lisjjen wrote:
flcath wrote:
czelede wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:UT is now a T14


T14 is the distinction for schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point or the other. UT is not a T14. It is ranked in the top 14 though, for this year.

Lol no.


Lol no x 2

There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.


do the lol no'ers all go to texas?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby lisjjen » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:33 pm

chup wrote:
lisjjen wrote:There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.

Holy fucking shit please tell me you're trolling.


Of course. LOL. Egypt doesn't have a peaceful government yet.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby YourCaptain » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:34 pm

Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
YourCaptain wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Emory.

Why. Nobody cares.


No jobs; the drop in rank is just insult to SEVERE injury.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby ArthurDigbySellers » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:34 pm

Grats to Vandy. Also, is WUSTL really tied with USC? Is that bc USC is overrated or WUSTL I moving up or both? But damn, 18 for WUSTL. That school is rich as fuck. I'll accept it when I see their employment data. No one gives a flying fuck about library size.

But seriously, Washington just keeps moving on up. I knew it was a good school, but should I believe it's *that* good in terms of absolute job prospects. I would still take #22 BU over it, but I am just a humble dumbass.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:34 pm

rman1201 wrote:The employment data seems a LOT more detailed.
Heres BU, the only school I'm really into, as an example:

Law School Careers

Bar Statistics (Winter and Summer 2008 administrations)

State where the greatest number of first-time test takers took the bar MA
Bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 96.1% - High
Statewide bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 87.1%
Class of 2008 Graduates

Total graduates 269
Graduates known to be employed at graduation 85.5% - Medium
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 94.4% - Medium
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Graduation

Graduates whose employment status is unknown 1.5%
Graduates whose employment status is known 98.5%
Graduates known to be employed 86.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 10.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Nine Months

Graduates whose employment status is unknown 0.4%
Graduates whose employment status is known 99.6%
Graduates known to be employed 94.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 2.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Starting Salaries of Graduates Employed Full-time (Class of 2008)

25th percentile private sector starting salary $111,000
Median private sector starting salary $160,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $160,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 85%
Median public service starting salary $50,000
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2008)

Percent employed in academia 17.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 6.0%
Percent employed in government 4.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 9.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 1.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 0.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 3.5%
Employment Location (Class of 2008)

Graduates employed in-state 49%
Graduates employed out-of-state 47.0%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 2%
Number of states where graduates are employed 25
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 53.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 20.0%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 4.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 0.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 12.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.0%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 2.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 4.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 1.0%
Employment location unknown 2.0%
Career Services

(Data appear as originally submitted by this school)
Career services operations Staffed by 7 attorneys, 4 administrators, and part-time attorney advisers. Students have access to more than 400 employers through on-and off-campus recruiting. Assistance is provided through individual advising, resume writing, interviewing and networking techniques and numerous programs, often featuring practicing attorneys. The office maintains extensive career-related resources.
Job Type

Bar admission required/anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks) 96.0%
Bar admission required/anticipated - percent employed in full-time positions 80.7%
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent) 2.0%
J.D. preferred - percent employed in full-time positions 100.0%
Professional other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse) 1.0%
Professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 0.0%
Non-professional other (job that does not require any professional skills or training or is taken on a temporary basis and not viewed as part of a career path) 1.0%
Non-professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 50.0%



All of this is 2008 though. WTF any good is that?

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby fatduck » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:34 pm

YourCaptain wrote:
Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:
YourCaptain wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Emory.

Why. Nobody cares.


No jobs; the drop in rank is just insult to SEVERE injury.

not true: i just snapped this pic of emory's campus:

Image

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby Verisimi » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:34 pm

WOW Boalt's stats took a BIG hit.

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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby BlueDiamond » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:35 pm

ArthurDigbySellers wrote:Grats to Vandy. Also, is WUSTL really tied with USC? Is that bc USC is overrated or WUSTL I moving up or both? But damn, 18 for WUSTL. That school is rich as fuck. I'll accept it when I see their employment data. No one gives a flying fuck about library size.

But seriously, Washington just keeps moving on up. I knew it was a good school, but should I believe it's *that* good in terms of absolute job prospects. I would still take #22 BU over it, but I am just a humble dumbass.


WUSTL games rankings end of story
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)

Postby FireNextTime » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:35 pm

BlueDiamond wrote:I still think the Davis movement is the biggest scam of the year


Again, Davis doin' it with employed-at-grad numbers. The Class of '09 fared better in May, we are told, than the classes at Yale, Harvard and Stanford. And probably most every other school in the land.

Something smelly arising from Aggieland. Or they truly are something else.




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