2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official) Forum
- dr123
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Why are you guys gettin so worked up over this tomfoolery. UNSWR rankings are largely meaningless
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Lol no x 2flcath wrote:Lol no.czelede wrote:T14 is the distinction for schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point or the other. UT is not a T14. It is ranked in the top 14 though, for this year.LLB2JD wrote:UT is now a T14
There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
+1 Rankings don't matter all that much, but it's still sweet.Helmholtz wrote:Go blue
- Mickey Quicknumbers
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
ummm, no Texas has the lowest employment % of any school in the top 20 except Gtown, which is .5% lower.akili wrote:RIGHT?NZA wrote:Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, congrats to Texas, eh?
ETA: Guess they can thank employment stats?
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Davis pwns in BIGIRRIGATION law.BlueDiamond wrote:I still think the Davis movement is the biggest scam of the year
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
its actually the only specialty that might matterDrackedaryMaster wrote:Oh, snap, not that specialty rankings matter, but UF passed GTown for #2 in Tax law.
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Credited.Helmholtz wrote:Go blue
- rman1201
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
The employment data seems a LOT more detailed.
Heres BU, the only school I'm really into, as an example:
Law School Careers
Bar Statistics (Winter and Summer 2008 administrations)
State where the greatest number of first-time test takers took the bar MA
Bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 96.1% - High
Statewide bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 87.1%
Class of 2008 Graduates
Total graduates 269
Graduates known to be employed at graduation 85.5% - Medium
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 94.4% - Medium
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Graduation
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 1.5%
Graduates whose employment status is known 98.5%
Graduates known to be employed 86.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 10.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Nine Months
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 0.4%
Graduates whose employment status is known 99.6%
Graduates known to be employed 94.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 2.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Starting Salaries of Graduates Employed Full-time (Class of 2008)
25th percentile private sector starting salary $111,000
Median private sector starting salary $160,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $160,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 85%
Median public service starting salary $50,000
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2008)
Percent employed in academia 17.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 6.0%
Percent employed in government 4.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 9.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 1.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 0.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 3.5%
Employment Location (Class of 2008)
Graduates employed in-state 49%
Graduates employed out-of-state 47.0%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 2%
Number of states where graduates are employed 25
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 53.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 20.0%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 4.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 0.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 12.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.0%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 2.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 4.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 1.0%
Employment location unknown 2.0%
Career Services
(Data appear as originally submitted by this school)
Career services operations Staffed by 7 attorneys, 4 administrators, and part-time attorney advisers. Students have access to more than 400 employers through on-and off-campus recruiting. Assistance is provided through individual advising, resume writing, interviewing and networking techniques and numerous programs, often featuring practicing attorneys. The office maintains extensive career-related resources.
Job Type
Bar admission required/anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks) 96.0%
Bar admission required/anticipated - percent employed in full-time positions 80.7%
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent) 2.0%
J.D. preferred - percent employed in full-time positions 100.0%
Professional other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse) 1.0%
Professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 0.0%
Non-professional other (job that does not require any professional skills or training or is taken on a temporary basis and not viewed as part of a career path) 1.0%
Non-professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 50.0%
Heres BU, the only school I'm really into, as an example:
Law School Careers
Bar Statistics (Winter and Summer 2008 administrations)
State where the greatest number of first-time test takers took the bar MA
Bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 96.1% - High
Statewide bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 87.1%
Class of 2008 Graduates
Total graduates 269
Graduates known to be employed at graduation 85.5% - Medium
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 94.4% - Medium
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Graduation
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 1.5%
Graduates whose employment status is known 98.5%
Graduates known to be employed 86.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 10.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Nine Months
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 0.4%
Graduates whose employment status is known 99.6%
Graduates known to be employed 94.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 2.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Starting Salaries of Graduates Employed Full-time (Class of 2008)
25th percentile private sector starting salary $111,000
Median private sector starting salary $160,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $160,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 85%
Median public service starting salary $50,000
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2008)
Percent employed in academia 17.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 6.0%
Percent employed in government 4.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 9.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 1.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 0.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 3.5%
Employment Location (Class of 2008)
Graduates employed in-state 49%
Graduates employed out-of-state 47.0%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 2%
Number of states where graduates are employed 25
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 53.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 20.0%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 4.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 0.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 12.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.0%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 2.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 4.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 1.0%
Employment location unknown 2.0%
Career Services
(Data appear as originally submitted by this school)
Career services operations Staffed by 7 attorneys, 4 administrators, and part-time attorney advisers. Students have access to more than 400 employers through on-and off-campus recruiting. Assistance is provided through individual advising, resume writing, interviewing and networking techniques and numerous programs, often featuring practicing attorneys. The office maintains extensive career-related resources.
Job Type
Bar admission required/anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks) 96.0%
Bar admission required/anticipated - percent employed in full-time positions 80.7%
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent) 2.0%
J.D. preferred - percent employed in full-time positions 100.0%
Professional other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse) 1.0%
Professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 0.0%
Non-professional other (job that does not require any professional skills or training or is taken on a temporary basis and not viewed as part of a career path) 1.0%
Non-professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 50.0%
- chup
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Holy fucking shit please tell me you're trolling.lisjjen wrote:Lol no x 2flcath wrote:Lol no.czelede wrote:T14 is the distinction for schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point or the other. UT is not a T14. It is ranked in the top 14 though, for this year.LLB2JD wrote:UT is now a T14
There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Why. Nobody cares.YourCaptain wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Emory.
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Why the bump?Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:ummm, no Texas has the lowest employment % of any school in the top 20 except Gtown, which is .5% lower.akili wrote:RIGHT?NZA wrote:Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, congrats to Texas, eh?
ETA: Guess they can thank employment stats?
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Thought Michigan's GPA/LSAT numbers were pretty damn impressive, to be honest. Not a lot of difference between us and Chicago.
- Knock
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Can we get this info for the entire T13?rman1201 wrote:The employment data seems a LOT more detailed.
Heres BU, the only school I'm really into, as an example:
Law School Careers
Bar Statistics (Winter and Summer 2008 administrations)
State where the greatest number of first-time test takers took the bar MA
Bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 96.1% - High
Statewide bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 87.1%
Class of 2008 Graduates
Total graduates 269
Graduates known to be employed at graduation 85.5% - Medium
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 94.4% - Medium
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Graduation
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 1.5%
Graduates whose employment status is known 98.5%
Graduates known to be employed 86.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 10.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Nine Months
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 0.4%
Graduates whose employment status is known 99.6%
Graduates known to be employed 94.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 2.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Starting Salaries of Graduates Employed Full-time (Class of 2008)
25th percentile private sector starting salary $111,000
Median private sector starting salary $160,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $160,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 85%
Median public service starting salary $50,000
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2008)
Percent employed in academia 17.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 6.0%
Percent employed in government 4.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 9.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 1.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 0.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 3.5%
Employment Location (Class of 2008)
Graduates employed in-state 49%
Graduates employed out-of-state 47.0%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 2%
Number of states where graduates are employed 25
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 53.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 20.0%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 4.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 0.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 12.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.0%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 2.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 4.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 1.0%
Employment location unknown 2.0%
Career Services
(Data appear as originally submitted by this school)
Career services operations Staffed by 7 attorneys, 4 administrators, and part-time attorney advisers. Students have access to more than 400 employers through on-and off-campus recruiting. Assistance is provided through individual advising, resume writing, interviewing and networking techniques and numerous programs, often featuring practicing attorneys. The office maintains extensive career-related resources.
Job Type
Bar admission required/anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks) 96.0%
Bar admission required/anticipated - percent employed in full-time positions 80.7%
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent) 2.0%
J.D. preferred - percent employed in full-time positions 100.0%
Professional other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse) 1.0%
Professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 0.0%
Non-professional other (job that does not require any professional skills or training or is taken on a temporary basis and not viewed as part of a career path) 1.0%
Non-professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 50.0%
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
For employment data, does it still count wal mart jobs?
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
True story, but I'd rather see some positive movement while I'm looking for jobs there (as if it actually had an impact on jobs )thecilent wrote:Damn no T6 movement. Wanted to see some action
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Thanks so much, Mickey Quicknumbers. Do they show the schools' total raw scores, by any chance?
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
do the lol no'ers all go to texas?lisjjen wrote:Lol no x 2flcath wrote:Lol no.czelede wrote:T14 is the distinction for schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point or the other. UT is not a T14. It is ranked in the top 14 though, for this year.LLB2JD wrote:UT is now a T14
There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.
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- lisjjen
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Of course. LOL. Egypt doesn't have a peaceful government yet.aschup wrote:Holy fucking shit please tell me you're trolling.lisjjen wrote:There's nothing that old money hates more than new money. It's the 21st Century. Egypt has a peaceful government, we have a Black president, some schools move up in the rankings.
- YourCaptain
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
No jobs; the drop in rank is just insult to SEVERE injury.Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:Why. Nobody cares.YourCaptain wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Emory.
- ArthurDigbySellers
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Grats to Vandy. Also, is WUSTL really tied with USC? Is that bc USC is overrated or WUSTL I moving up or both? But damn, 18 for WUSTL. That school is rich as fuck. I'll accept it when I see their employment data. No one gives a flying fuck about library size.
But seriously, Washington just keeps moving on up. I knew it was a good school, but should I believe it's *that* good in terms of absolute job prospects. I would still take #22 BU over it, but I am just a humble dumbass.
But seriously, Washington just keeps moving on up. I knew it was a good school, but should I believe it's *that* good in terms of absolute job prospects. I would still take #22 BU over it, but I am just a humble dumbass.
- Mickey Quicknumbers
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
rman1201 wrote:The employment data seems a LOT more detailed.
Heres BU, the only school I'm really into, as an example:
Law School Careers
Bar Statistics (Winter and Summer 2008 administrations)
State where the greatest number of first-time test takers took the bar MA
Bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 96.1% - High
Statewide bar passage rate (first-time test takers) 87.1%
Class of 2008 Graduates
Total graduates 269
Graduates known to be employed at graduation 85.5% - Medium
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 94.4% - Medium
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Graduation
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 1.5%
Graduates whose employment status is known 98.5%
Graduates known to be employed 86.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 10.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Class of 2008 Graduates-Class Breakdown at Nine Months
Graduates whose employment status is unknown 0.4%
Graduates whose employment status is known 99.6%
Graduates known to be employed 94.8%
Graduates known to be enrolled in a full-time degree program 2.6%
Graduates known to be unemployed and seeking work 2.2%
Graduates known to be unemployed and not seeking work 0.4%
Starting Salaries of Graduates Employed Full-time (Class of 2008)
25th percentile private sector starting salary $111,000
Median private sector starting salary $160,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $160,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 85%
Median public service starting salary $50,000
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2008)
Percent employed in academia 17.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 6.0%
Percent employed in government 4.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 9.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 1.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 0.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 3.5%
Employment Location (Class of 2008)
Graduates employed in-state 49%
Graduates employed out-of-state 47.0%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 2%
Number of states where graduates are employed 25
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 53.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 20.0%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 4.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 0.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 12.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.0%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 2.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 4.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 1.0%
Employment location unknown 2.0%
Career Services
(Data appear as originally submitted by this school)
Career services operations Staffed by 7 attorneys, 4 administrators, and part-time attorney advisers. Students have access to more than 400 employers through on-and off-campus recruiting. Assistance is provided through individual advising, resume writing, interviewing and networking techniques and numerous programs, often featuring practicing attorneys. The office maintains extensive career-related resources.
Job Type
Bar admission required/anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks) 96.0%
Bar admission required/anticipated - percent employed in full-time positions 80.7%
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent) 2.0%
J.D. preferred - percent employed in full-time positions 100.0%
Professional other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse) 1.0%
Professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 0.0%
Non-professional other (job that does not require any professional skills or training or is taken on a temporary basis and not viewed as part of a career path) 1.0%
Non-professional other - percent employed in full-time positions 50.0%
All of this is 2008 though. WTF any good is that?
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- fatduck
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
not true: i just snapped this pic of emory's campus:YourCaptain wrote:No jobs; the drop in rank is just insult to SEVERE injury.Mickey Quicknumbers wrote:Why. Nobody cares.YourCaptain wrote:I genuinely feel sorry for Emory.
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
WOW Boalt's stats took a BIG hit.
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
WUSTL games rankings end of storyArthurDigbySellers wrote:Grats to Vandy. Also, is WUSTL really tied with USC? Is that bc USC is overrated or WUSTL I moving up or both? But damn, 18 for WUSTL. That school is rich as fuck. I'll accept it when I see their employment data. No one gives a flying fuck about library size.
But seriously, Washington just keeps moving on up. I knew it was a good school, but should I believe it's *that* good in terms of absolute job prospects. I would still take #22 BU over it, but I am just a humble dumbass.
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Again, Davis doin' it with employed-at-grad numbers. The Class of '09 fared better in May, we are told, than the classes at Yale, Harvard and Stanford. And probably most every other school in the land.BlueDiamond wrote:I still think the Davis movement is the biggest scam of the year
Something smelly arising from Aggieland. Or they truly are something else.
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