2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official) Forum
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Anybody else notice they rank schools into the 140s this year!?
(maybe deeper if you purchase)
(maybe deeper if you purchase)
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
If you search T13, you'll find references to it on this site that are at least a year old.refusetolose wrote:Maybe we should just start calling it the T13? Would that be too bold?
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
jeeze this makes decision harder not easier ... penn state up 12 and miami down 17 holy hell
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
#50 Florida State UniversityMickey Quicknumbers wrote:Rank College name Tuition & Fees Enrollment (full-time) GPA (25th-75th percentile) LSAT scores (25th-75th percentile) Acceptance rate Assessment score by lawyers/judges (out of 5) Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation
#1 Yale University
New Haven, CT
Full-time: $50,750 per year 629 3.81-3.96 171-176 6.7% 4.7 96.5%
#2 Harvard University
Cambridge, MA
Full-time: $45,450 per year 1,733 3.78-3.96 171-176 11.0% 4.8 97.5%
#3 Stanford University
Stanford, CA
Full-time: $46,581 per year 571 3.74-3.94 167-173 8.9% 4.7 95.6%
#4 Columbia University
New York, NY
Full-time: $50,428 per year 1,343 3.61-3.82 170-175 13.2% 4.6 97.8%
#5 University of Chicago
Chicago, IL
Full-time: $45,405 per year 634 3.59-3.87 168-172 15.2% 4.6 99.0%
#6 New York University
New York, NY
Full-time: $46,840 per year 1,431 3.57-3.86 169-175 20.9% 4.4 97.0%
#7 University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
Ann Arbor, MI
In-state, full-time: $44,840 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $47,840 per year 1,134 3.57-3.85 168-171 18.6% 4.5 96.4%
#7 University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA
Full-time: $48,362 per year 802 3.54-3.9 166-171 14.4% 4.5 97.7%
#9 University of California--Berkeley
Berkeley, CA
In-state, full-time: $44,244 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $52,245 per year 916 3.64-3.87 162-170 10.3% 4.4 95.6%
#9 University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA
In-state, full-time: $42,500 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $47,500 per year 1,105 3.51-3.92 166-171 10.8% 4.6 97.8%
#11 Duke University
Durham, NC
Full-time: $47,722 per year 644 3.68-3.9 168-171 13.2% 4.4 95.4%
#12 Northwestern University
Chicago, IL
Full-time: $49,714 per year 817 3.4-3.9 166-171 18.1% 4.3 95.0%
#13 Cornell University
Ithaca, NY
Full-time: $51,150 per year 615 3.55-3.8 166-169 17.3% 4.3 97.4%
#14 Georgetown University
Washington, DC
Full-time: $45,105 per year 1,626 3.45-3.78 168-172 21.3% 4.3 92.3%
#14 University of Texas--Austin
Austin, TX
In-state, full-time: $28,669 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $44,638 per year 1,154 3.57-3.84 164-169 22.6% 4.3 92.8%
#16 University of California--Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA
In-state, full-time: $40,616 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $50,639 per year 999 3.56-3.87 165-170 16.4% 3.9 93.1%
#16 Vanderbilt University
Nashville, TN
Full-time: $45,286 per year 586 3.5-3.82 165-170 22.5% 4.1 93.7%
#18 University of Southern California (Gould)
Los Angeles, CA
Full-time: $48,434 per year 651 3.46-3.73 166-169 21.8% 3.6 93.3%
#18 Washington University in St. Louis
St. Louis, MO
Full-time: $44,125 per year 893 3.3-3.8 162-168 21.6% 3.9 95.5%
#20 George Washington University
Washington, DC
Full-time: $43,999 per year 1,410 3.39-3.87 162-168 22.6% 3.8 97.5%
#20 University of Minnesota--Twin Cities
Minneapolis, MN
In-state, full-time: $31,882 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $40,388 per year 752 3.36-3.84 159-168 26.7% 3.9 94.1%
#22 Boston University
Boston, MA
Full-time: $40,838 per year 821 3.52-3.83 164-167 20.5% 3.7 94.4%
#23 Indiana University--Bloomington (Maurer)
Bloomington, IN
In-state, full-time: $26,904 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $43,704 per year 646 3.47-3.89 156-164 24.7% 3.6 89.2%
#23 University of California--Davis
Davis, CA
In-state, full-time: $41,763 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $50,595 per year 589 3.53-3.8 160-165 23.5% 3.6 95.8%
#23 University of Illinois--Urbana-Champaign
Champaign, IL
In-state, full-time: $36,420 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $43,420 per year 640 3.3-3.9 163-168 20.4% 3.7 85.9%
#23 University of Notre Dame
Notre Dame, IN
Full-time: $40,805 per year 564 3.39-3.73 162-168 16.4% 3.7 93.4%
#27 Boston College
Newton, MA
Full-time: $40,770 per year 796 3.45-3.7 163-167 18.3% 3.7 94.3%
#27 College of William and Mary (Marshall-Wythe)
Williamsburg, VA
In-state, full-time: $23,800 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $33,800 per year 628 3.47-3.82 161-166 19.2% 3.8 93.7%
#27 University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA
In-state, full-time: $24,154 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $42,922 per year 574 3.41-3.77 158-164 39.4% 3.8 91.7%
#30 Emory University
Atlanta, GA
Full-time: $43,392 per year 792 3.34-3.69 166-167 27.2% 3.9 87.1%
#30 Fordham University
New York, NY
Full-time: $46,476 per year 1,217 3.36-3.76 163-168 21.8% 3.5 91.5%
#30 University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill
Chapel Hill, NC
In-state, full-time: $17,068 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $31,218 per year 778 3.34-3.73 159-165 17.9% 4.0 90.7%
#30 University of Washington
Seattle, WA
In-state, full-time: $24,339 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $37,299 per year 550 3.49-3.81 160-166 21.3% 3.7 89.5%
#30 Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA
Full-time: $39,937 per year 407 3.14-3.64 161-167 21.8% 3.9 86.2%
#35 Ohio State University (Moritz)
Columbus, OH
In-state, full-time: $24,468 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $39,418 per year 693 3.45-3.82 160-164 35.6% 3.5 92.7%
#35 University of Alabama
Tuscaloosa, AL
In-state, full-time: $15,760 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $28,070 per year 509 3.41-3.92 159-167 22.8% 3.3 87.0%
#35 University of Georgia
Athens, GA
In-state, full-time: $15,814 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $33,620 per year 704 3.4-3.8 162-166 22.2% 3.5 89.4%
#35 University of Wisconsin--Madison
Madison, WI
In-state, full-time: $18,049 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $37,586 per year 755 3.29-3.76 158-164 21.2% 3.7 89.8%
#39 Wake Forest University
Winston-Salem, NC
Full-time: $37,230 per year 487 3.3-3.7 160-164 33.6% 3.6 90.1%
#40 Arizona State University (O'Connor)
Tempe, AZ
In-state, full-time: $21,598 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $35,147 per year 614 3.34-3.75 158-164 24.0% 3.2 89.8%
#40 George Mason University
Arlington, VA
In-state, full-time: $22,222 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $36,278 per year 505 3.27-3.82 158-165 26.0% 3.4 96.1%
#42 Brigham Young University (Clark)
Provo, UT
Full-time: $20,560 per year 442 3.45-3.86 161-167 28.4% 3.4 93.3%
#42 University of Arizona (Rogers)
Tucson, AZ
In-state, full-time: $23,540 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $39,402 per year 469 3.33-3.71 161-164 32.8% 3.5 89.4%
#42 University of California (Hastings)
San Francisco, CA
In-state, full-time: $38,906 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $50,131 per year 1,247 3.45-3.71 160-165 22.5% 3.8 84.6%
#42 University of Maryland
Baltimore, MD
In-state, full-time: $25,350 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $36,629 per year 734 3.3-3.7 157-163 17.7% 3.1 94.3%
#42 University of Utah (Quinney)
Salt Lake City, UT
In-state, full-time: $18,231 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $36,209 per year 402 3.46-3.82 157-164 28.9% 3.2 92.5%
#47 Tulane University
New Orleans, LA
Full-time: $42,144 per year 769 3.4-3.7 160-164 30.6% 3.5 87.9%
#47 University of Colorado--Boulder
Boulder, CO
In-state, full-time: $28,915 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $35,773 per year 546 3.3-3.74 161-166 27.3% 3.3 80.0%
#47 University of Florida (Levin)
Gainesville, FL
In-state, full-time: $16,387 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $35,752 per year 1,044 3.44-3.84 160-164 24.3% 3.5 86.8%
#50 American University (Washington)
Washington, DC
Full-time: $43,458 per year 1,243 3.12-3.58 158-164 21.4% 3.3 81.5%
Tallahassee, FL
In-state, full-time: $16,371 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $35,934 per year 779 3.3-3.7 161-164 22.2% 2.9 90.9%
#50 Southern Methodist University (Dedman)
Dallas, TX
Full-time: $40,186 per year 549 3.29-3.82 156-165 28.1% 3.3 89.3%
#50 Yeshiva University (Cardozo)
New York, NY
Full-time: $46,794 per year 1,025 3.42-3.74 160-166 25.4% 3.0 85.9%
#54 Loyola Marymount University
Los Angeles, CA
Full-time: $41,840 per year 1,013 3.31-3.7 158-163 28.6% 2.9 93.4%
#54 Pepperdine University
Malibu, CA
Full-time: $41,210 per year 667 3.31-3.75 159-165 28.2% 3.2 89.9%
#56 Baylor University
Waco, TX
Full-time: $39,144 per year 466 3.52-3.85 160-163 16.5% 3.3 87.7%
#56 University of Connecticut
Hartford, CT
In-state, full-time: $21,508 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $44,428 per year 440 3.2-3.63 158-163 25.1% 3.0 86.1%
#56 University of Houston
Houston, TX
In-state, full-time: $26,731 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $36,903 per year 701 3.13-3.68 159-164 24.6% 3.0 92.7%
#56 University of Tennessee--Knoxville
Knoxville, TN
In-state, full-time: $14,462 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $33,206 per year 482 3.38-3.81 156-162 27.2% 3.1 91.4%
#60 Pennsylvania State University (Dickinson)
University Park, PA
In-state, full-time: $36,816 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $36,816 per year 617 3.4-3.8 157-161 29.1% 3.1 83.6%
#61 Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland, OH
Full-time: $40,560 per year 624 3.26-3.64 157-162 37.6% 3.2 87.0%
#61 Georgia State University
Atlanta, GA
In-state, full-time: $13,310 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $34,334 per year 457 3.2-3.75 159-162 17.6% 2.6 90.3%
#61 Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent)
Chicago, IL
Full-time: $40,050 per year 785 3.2-3.7 155-163 45.4% 2.7 87.5%
#61 Seton Hall University
Newark, NJ
Full-time: $45,048 per year 704 3.17-3.65 155-161 45.8% 3.0 94.2%
#61 Temple University (Beasley)
Philadelphia, PA
In-state, full-time: $18,206 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $31,220 per year 797 3.2-3.63 159-164 38.7% 3.0 87.4%
#61 University of Cincinnati
Cincinnati, OH
In-state, full-time: $20,946 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $36,526 per year 408 3.4-3.8 157-162 42.5% 3.1 86.1%
#67 Brooklyn Law School
Brooklyn, NY
Full-time: $46,610 per year 1,293 3.24-3.66 162-165 26.8% 2.8 83.2%
#67 Lewis & Clark College (Northwestern)
Portland, OR
Full-time: $35,098 per year 529 3.2-3.69 157-164 34.6% 3.1 88.1%
#67 University of Richmond (Williams)
Richmond, VA
Full-time: $34,070 per year 452 3.16-3.63 159-163 26.5% 3.0 91.5%
#67 University of San Diego
San Diego, CA
Full-time: $41,414 per year 831 3.3-3.63 159-163 31.3% 2.9 84.7%
#71 Loyola University Chicago
Chicago, IL
Full-time: $38,086 per year 692 3.13-3.59 157-162 30.0% 3.0 89.3%
#71 Northeastern University
Boston, MA
Full-time: $41,066 per year 629 3.31-3.7 155-164 31.5% 2.6 91.4%
#71 University of Kentucky
Lexington, KY
In-state, full-time: $16,982 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $29,424 per year 419 3.19-3.76 157-162 36.4% 3.0 93.3%
#71 University of Nevada--Las Vegas (Boyd)
Las Vegas, NV
In-state, full-time: $20,838 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $34,238 per year 347 3.15-3.7 156-161 18.5% 2.6 94.3%
#71 University of Oklahoma
Norman, OK
In-state, full-time: $18,105 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $28,034 per year 537 3.2-3.7 157-161 30.2% 3.2 90.3%
#71 University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA
In-state, full-time: $26,550 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $34,176 per year 605 3.07-3.63 158-161 34.6% 3.2 85.2%
#77 University of Denver (Sturm)
Denver, CO
Full-time: $37,152 per year 768 3.15-3.66 156-161 32.2% 3.0 84.3%
#77 University of Miami
Coral Gables, FL
Full-time: $38,024 per year 1,334 3.16-3.6 156-160 47.1% 3.3 82.4%
#79 Catholic University of America (Columbus)
Washington, DC
Full-time: $40,005 per year 562 3.08-3.53 156-161 33.7% 3.1 87.9%
#79 Indiana University--Indianapolis
Indianapolis, IN
N/A N/A 3.15-3.7 151-159 40.2% 2.9 94.4%
#79 University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS
In-state, full-time: $15,561 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $27,038 per year 497 3.2-3.67 155-160 37.2% 3.4 81.9%
#79 University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM
In-state, full-time: $13,660 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $30,604 per year 351 3.1-3.6 153-159 21.1% 2.8 92.0%
#79 University of Oregon
Eugene, OR
In-state, full-time: $24,031 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $29,953 per year 526 3.18-3.66 157-161 39.5% 3.3 82.2%
#84 DePaul University
Chicago, IL
Full-time: $39,350 per year 853 3.13-3.64 156-161 40.0% 2.9 85.0%
#84 Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY
Full-time: $43,660 per year 945 3.17-3.69 156-160 36.5% 2.7 91.2%
#84 Louisiana State University--Baton Rouge (Hebert)
Baton Rouge, LA
In-state, full-time: $16,148 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $30,228 per year 616 3.14-3.6 155-160 35.4% 3.0 86.8%
#84 Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey--Camden
Camden, NJ
In-state, full-time: $25,076 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $35,996 per year 573 3.1-3.6 157-161 31.4% 3.0 84.2%
#84 Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey--Newark
Newark, NJ
In-state, full-time: $24,977 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $35,897 per year 610 3.01-3.57 155-161 28.3% 2.8 90.5%
#84 Santa Clara University
Santa Clara, CA
Full-time: $1,312 per credit 749 3.08-3.53 158-162 42.0% 2.9 84.9%
#84 Seattle University
Seattle, WA
Full-time: $38,572 per year 808 3.07-3.58 155-160 35.0% 3.1 87.2%
#84 University at Buffalo--SUNY
Buffalo, NY
In-state, full-time: $17,450 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $29,260 per year 693 3.17-3.69 155-160 37.7% 2.8 88.0%
#84 University of Arkansas--Fayetteville
Fayetteville, AR
In-state, full-time: $376 per credit, Out-of-state, full-time: $747 per credit 390 3.29-3.8 153-160 26.6% 3.0 83.6%
#84 University of Nebraska--Lincoln
Lincoln, NE
In-state, full-time: $13,337 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $28,649 per year 412 3.35-3.84 153-160 53.7% 3.0 88.1%
#84 Villanova University
Villanova, PA
Full-time: $36,690 per year 765 3.15-3.56 159-163 44.1% 3.2 86.0%
#95 Marquette University
Milwaukee, WI
Full-time: $36,300 per year 585 3.14-3.64 154-159 41.9% 3.2 86.8%
#95 Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI
Full-time: $33,785 per year 804 3.24-3.74 152-159 34.9% 2.9 90.9%
#95 St. John's University
Jamaica, NY
Full-time: $44,280 per year 764 3.19-3.72 156-162 35.4% 2.8 80.3%
#95 University of Hawaii--Manoa (Richardson)
Honolulu, HI
In-state, full-time: $16,421 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $30,484 per year 295 3.19-3.72 153-159 20.0% 2.7 86.4%
#95 West Virginia University
Morgantown, WV
In-state, full-time: $14,212 per year, Out-of-state, full-time: $28,444 per year 410 3.2-3.7 151-156 46.0% 2.7 89.5%
#100 Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY
Full-time: $45,126 per year 635 3.12-3.57 153-157 41.3% 2.9 81.1%
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- rman1201
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Awwww man they dropped while I was commuting???????????????? I have subscription if anyone still needs details (clerkship data?)
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it's still t14 right? those 14 schools have all been ranked in the t10 at some point. texas has not.
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If someone wants to format that better then go ahead, but that's all the raw data.
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Can you post up clerkship info for top 50 or it that something that has to be done manually? If yes, I'll PM you.rman1201 wrote:Awwww man they dropped while I was commuting???????????????? I have subscription if anyone still needs details (clerkship data?)
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I consider Texas/UCLA/Vandy peer schools regardless of how US News ranks them
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I'd love to know the clerkship data if it is available.
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It's been t13 for a while. GeorgeTTTown is down down down.
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OMFG TEXAS?!?!??!?! I know its been said I'm sure, but I'm just now seeing this. My world has been rocked forever
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Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, congrats to Texas, eh?
ETA: Guess they can thank employment stats?
ETA: Guess they can thank employment stats?
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Damn no T6 movement. Wanted to see some action
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Those new employment stats they were bragging about would certainly be interesting . . .rman1201 wrote:Awwww man they dropped while I was commuting???????????????? I have subscription if anyone still needs details (clerkship data?)
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Honestly, it should be the T13 now, and not even as a joke.
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RIGHT?NZA wrote:Jesus Christ Monkey Balls, congrats to Texas, eh?
ETA: Guess they can thank employment stats?
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Lol no.czelede wrote:T14 is the distinction for schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point or the other. UT is not a T14. It is ranked in the top 14 though, for this year.LLB2JD wrote:UT is now a T14
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Oh please like that other guy made that up. My mission is not to have other people's jokes accepted as mine, but to shit on USNWR. it's a shitty periodical that no one would give a fuck about without these rankings.FuManChusco wrote:you just now
from page 4:ArthurDigbySellers wrote:USNWR is a TTT periodical. Irony...
PomasThynchon wrote:Ironically, US News is a TTT publication and would be unranked in a list of top U.S. publications.
congrats. you're so creative.
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I genuinely feel sorry for Emory.
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I still think the Davis movement is the biggest scam of the year
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I'll take "everything that's wrong with law school rankings in a single sentence" for 400, Alex.trayball23 wrote:jeeze this makes decision harder not easier ... penn state up 12 and miami down 17 holy hell
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
I'll start compiling data into a spreadsheet and post it later tonight.JusticeHarlan wrote:Those new employment stats they were bragging about would certainly be interesting . . .rman1201 wrote:Awwww man they dropped while I was commuting???????????????? I have subscription if anyone still needs details (clerkship data?)
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Re: 2012 U.S. News Rankings (March 15th... It's official)
Oh, snap, not that specialty rankings matter, but UF passed GTown for #2 in Tax law.
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!
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