Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

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bk1
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Re: Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

Postby bk1 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:15 pm

maglialoro wrote:I was under the impression that 2009 grads had a pretty crappy time of things? Are you saying we are going to fair worse than them?

Edit: And im not being facetious, I am really curious to hear opinion


2009 grads did OCI in 2007 before the crash which helped them a lot. However, iirc, they were the ones most subjected to no-offers and deferrals at the time of graduation (often these deferrals became no-offers). I don't know how the NLJ chart took into account no-offers and deferrals (I'm assuming it does account for at least the former and probably not the latter).

That being said, from what people have said it seems like things are worse for the current classes than it was for those of 2009.

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Re: Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

Postby afc1910 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:07 pm

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Re: Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

Postby bk1 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:10 pm

afc1910 wrote:No, that's not what I'm saying. Nothing in life is guaranteed (except death and taxes, right?).


My use of the word "guarantee" was hyperbolic. I was mainly asking whether you believe a large majority of Cardozo grads have starting salaries of 60k or more as this seems to cut against the grain of everything I've read.

I also wonder how much of Cardozo is actually employed in legal jobs when my relative says that half of his 2010 class at Loyola-LA didn't have a job at graduation (not sure how much changes 9 months out).

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Re: Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

Postby FiveSermon » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:17 pm

I wouldn't use the term "good" but "acceptable"

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Re: Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

Postby afc1910 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:36 pm

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Re: Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

Postby Rule11 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:49 pm

Remember: even when a small law job does pay $60k (Cardozo's massaged numbers say this is the median for small firms, so there are plenty--to wit, half--that do not reach that level), such a job does not entail reduced billable hours vs. a big firm. Making $60K for 70 hour weeks is not really what most people are hoping to do after sinking time and money into law school--and that's assuming one gets a job at all.

Another thing to consider is that many of the larger firm jobs that Cardozo includes in its stats are not associate positions, but rather staff attorney (if lucky) or temporary/transient doc review (which has literally no advancement potential). The 2009 NLJ numbers posted earlier in the thread (20% for Cardozo during the boom) illustrate this point well, particularly when you bear in mind that many of the firms outside of the top 100 or so pay considerably less than what most people think of as "biglaw." Near the bottom we're in the territory of ID/Med-Mal firms--$50K and a cubicle can be yours for just 60 or 70 hours per week of pushing paper (+ LS debt!).

I mention the above not to provide an exhaustive list of the ways in which the Cardozo stats are misleading, but rather just to whet your appetite, should you care to look past the least reliable source of information. I know quite a few people who went to Cardozo (think more than 40). Some have done well, but most have not. Actually, most that I know are either unemployed or employed in a non-legal capacity, at a job they could have gotten without a J.D. Some had to omit their J.D. from their resumes before they could get interviews.

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Re: Is Cardozo with $$$ good in this economy?

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:14 pm

Rule11 wrote: Actually, most that I know are either unemployed or employed in a non-legal capacity, at a job they could have gotten without a J.D. Some had to omit their J.D. from their resumes before they could get interviews.


This last part makes me think you are straight up lying. You cannot leave out three years in a resume and get hired or interviews...period




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