Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby Sentry » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:34 pm

LLB2JD wrote:
Sentry wrote:
beachbum wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:I thought he went to UVA and has been unemployed for a while.


Oh, that's it? So he just struck out at OCI, or is there some cool/tragic story I'm missing?

It was Northwestern not UVA. The bits of story I've heard is that he is a terrible interviewer fwiw.



Did he disclose this himself?

No, I heard it from people who were at NU with him.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:34 pm

Sentry wrote:
beachbum wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:I thought he went to UVA and has been unemployed for a while.


Oh, that's it? So he just struck out at OCI, or is there some cool/tragic story I'm missing?

It was Northwestern not UVA. The bits of story I've heard is that he is a terrible interviewer fwiw.


Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:36 pm

beachbum wrote:
Sentry wrote:
beachbum wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:I thought he went to UVA and has been unemployed for a while.


Oh, that's it? So he just struck out at OCI, or is there some cool/tragic story I'm missing?

It was Northwestern not UVA. The bits of story I've heard is that he is a terrible interviewer fwiw.


Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.


I cannot agree with this statement more. You have a very similar mindset to me.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby LLB2JD » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:37 pm

beachbum wrote:
Sentry wrote:
beachbum wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:I thought he went to UVA and has been unemployed for a while.


Oh, that's it? So he just struck out at OCI, or is there some cool/tragic story I'm missing?

It was Northwestern not UVA. The bits of story I've heard is that he is a terrible interviewer fwiw.


Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.



I would be scared to death if I were you as well.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:40 pm

LLB2JD wrote:I would be scared to death if I were you as well.


haha, thanks for the support.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby MTal » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:42 pm

beachbum wrote:
Sentry wrote:
beachbum wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:I thought he went to UVA and has been unemployed for a while.


Oh, that's it? So he just struck out at OCI, or is there some cool/tragic story I'm missing?

It was Northwestern not UVA. The bits of story I've heard is that he is a terrible interviewer fwiw.


Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.


This goes back to a point I made earlier. Though it sounds harsh, law school won't turn a loser into a winner. The people who stand the best chance of having law school provide them a career boost are those who had substantial careers before they ever went. Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby ATR » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:47 pm

MTal wrote:Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?

Maybe not, but those of us who held substantive jobs while in UG/during summers may fare better, no?

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:53 pm

MTal wrote:This goes back to a point I made earlier. Though it sounds harsh, law school won't turn a loser into a winner. The people who stand the best chance of having law school provide them a career boost are those who had substantial careers before they ever went. Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?


Ha, I guess we'll find out. I have a few good connections (both in NYC and in my secondary market hometown) that may help in the job search if things don't go according to plan. Otherwise, I'm a good (though not incredible) interviewer with average (college-type) jobs and a solid/employable degree from an average school. I like to think that if I get the grades, some employers will give me the benefit of the doubt. But if I don't, it's certainly going to be an uphill battle.

Edit: I also strongly believe (based on connections) that I can get a good 1L summer job, which should help.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby LLB2JD » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:55 pm

ATR wrote:
MTal wrote:Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?

Maybe not, but those of us who held substantive jobs while in UG/during summers may fare better, no?



Will have to agree with MTal here. I think a lot of firms are saying to themselves that these new associates are coming in, spending and average of 2-3 years, and the bolting. Why not hire someone with some experience, and could get substantive work out of asap. I saw a thread which suggested that students in late 20s/early 30s did a little better than their younger counterparts.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:58 pm

LLB2JD wrote:
ATR wrote:
MTal wrote:Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?

Maybe not, but those of us who held substantive jobs while in UG/during summers may fare better, no?



Will have to agree with MTal here. I think a lot of firms are saying to themselves that these new associates are coming in, spending and average of 2-3 years, and the bolting. Why not hire someone with some experience, and could get substantive work out of asap. I saw a thread which suggested that students in late 20s/early 30s did a little better than their younger counterparts.


In all fairness, I've also seen threads that suggest those who are older than average (by more than a year or two, think early 30s) tend to do worse.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby LLB2JD » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:00 pm

beachbum wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:
ATR wrote:
MTal wrote:Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?

Maybe not, but those of us who held substantive jobs while in UG/during summers may fare better, no?



Will have to agree with MTal here. I think a lot of firms are saying to themselves that these new associates are coming in, spending and average of 2-3 years, and the bolting. Why not hire someone with some experience, and could get substantive work out of asap. I saw a thread which suggested that students in late 20s/early 30s did a little better than their younger counterparts.


In all fairness, I've also seen threads that suggest those who are older than average (by more than a year or two, think early 30s) tend to do worse.



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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:01 pm

beachbum wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:
ATR wrote:
MTal wrote:Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?

Maybe not, but those of us who held substantive jobs while in UG/during summers may fare better, no?



Will have to agree with MTal here. I think a lot of firms are saying to themselves that these new associates are coming in, spending and average of 2-3 years, and the bolting. Why not hire someone with some experience, and could get substantive work out of asap. I saw a thread which suggested that students in late 20s/early 30s did a little better than their younger counterparts.


In all fairness, I've also seen threads that suggest those who are older than average (by more than a year or two, think early 30s) tend to do worse.


Yeah I don't think age matters. Unless you are graduating law school at 20 or something.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby TheOcho » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:01 pm

MTal wrote:This goes back to a point I made earlier. Though it sounds harsh, law school won't turn a loser into a winner. The people who stand the best chance of having law school provide them a career boost are those who had substantial careers before they ever went. Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?


Actually, I think a lot of firms probably did do exactly that. You're arguing that law school won't turn a loser into a winner, but what do you say to the plethora of kids who went straight to law school following UG and landed biglaw prior to ITE?

Edit: Grammar

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby rundoxierun » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:06 pm

beachbum wrote:Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.


Talking to a few older T-10 students definitely had me feeling intimidated. All I have is finance/consulting type internships and no full-time, long-term(longer than 6 moths) work experience.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:18 pm

tkgrrett wrote:
beachbum wrote:Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.


Talking to a few older T-10 students definitely had me feeling intimidated. All I have is finance/consulting type internships and no full-time, long-term(longer than 6 moths) work experience.


Same, though without any cool internships. I worked full-time at a hospital during breaks, and I had a shitty work-study job when school was in. Also worked with my dad flipping houses, and I was in a frat. Overall a pretty weak resume, particularly compared to many of my peers. Good thing I'm a fucking genius.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:21 pm

beachbum wrote:
tkgrrett wrote:
beachbum wrote:Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.


Talking to a few older T-10 students definitely had me feeling intimidated. All I have is finance/consulting type internships and no full-time, long-term(longer than 6 moths) work experience.


Same, though without any cool internships. I worked full-time at a hospital during breaks, and I had a shitty work-study job when school was in. Also worked with my dad flipping houses, and I was in a frat. Overall a pretty weak resume, particularly compared to many of my peers. Good thing I'm a fucking genius.


wut

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:23 pm

FiveSermon wrote:
beachbum wrote:
tkgrrett wrote:
beachbum wrote:Ah, gotcha. See, this is what (legitimately) scares me about sticker the most: that I don't have the credentials of my peers that would allow me to compete at OCI. I know grades are a big part of it, but I look around and see a whole lot of professional work experience, interesting graduate degrees, and Ivy undergrads. Meanwhile, I'm coming straight from a very mediocre undergrad with nothing of value on my resume. If we want to talk about what scares me shitless about paying sticker, it's that I'll be out-classed by my peers, even with respectable grades.

Anyway, back to the senseless bickering.


Talking to a few older T-10 students definitely had me feeling intimidated. All I have is finance/consulting type internships and no full-time, long-term(longer than 6 moths) work experience.


Same, though without any cool internships. I worked full-time at a hospital during breaks, and I had a shitty work-study job when school was in. Also worked with my dad flipping houses, and I was in a frat. Overall a pretty weak resume, particularly compared to many of my peers. Good thing I'm a fucking genius.


wut


Yeah dude. I don't like to brag, but I'm qualified to join MENSA.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:25 pm

Yeah dude. I don't like to brag, but I'm qualified to join MENSA.


Oh. Make sure to have that on your resume when you are looking for jobs. I think MENSA is the reason why Quentin Tarantino has had such a great career.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:29 pm

FiveSermon wrote:
Yeah dude. I don't like to brag, but I'm qualified to join MENSA.


Oh. Make sure to have that on your resume when you are looking for jobs. I think MENSA is the reason why Quentin Tarantino has had such a great career.


Yeah, probably. It definitely wasn't Kill Bill 2.

Edit: On a side note, I'm starting to lose track of where the sarcasm ends and begins in my own posts. This is probably healthy.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby FiveSermon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:31 pm

beachbum wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:
Yeah dude. I don't like to brag, but I'm qualified to join MENSA.


Oh. Make sure to have that on your resume when you are looking for jobs. I think MENSA is the reason why Quentin Tarantino has had such a great career.


Yeah, probably. It definitely wasn't Kill Bill 2.

Edit: On a side note, I'm starting to lose track of where the sarcasm ends and begins in my own posts. This is probably healthy.


Yeah man, Kill Bill sucked (no sarcasm).

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:41 am

MTal wrote:Can you honestly rationalize hiring a kid straight from undergrad who's only jobs included telemarketing/bartending/waiting tables and then paying them 160k a year?

Apparently law firms can, because they do it with thousands of people ever year. The percentage of people with truly impressive or meaningful WE in law school is very small.

Having WE certainly helps (I wish I had taken time off and worked, to be quite honest) but grades are still by far the most important factor in getting a job, especially a biglaw job.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby ATR » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:50 am

beachbum wrote:I don't like to brag, but I'm qualified to join MENSA.

Yeah, and so is everyone who scored 167+ on the LSAT.

'Grats.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby FiveSermon » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:54 am

ATR wrote:
beachbum wrote:I don't like to brag, but I'm qualified to join MENSA.

Yeah, and so is everyone who scored 167+ on the LSAT.

'Grats.


That's dumb. I seriously hope getting 95th percentile or higher actually qualifies someone for MENSA...

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby ATR » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:57 am

FiveSermon wrote:That's dumb. I seriously hope getting 95th percentile or higher actually qualifies someone for MENSA...

Well, according to the MENSA's official website which I linked to in my post, it does. I'm not sure about any other qualifying factors, but a 167 will allow to meet the test score stipulation, at least.

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Re: Support Thread for the 6-figure debt plunge

Postby TheFactor » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:00 am

ATR wrote:
beachbum wrote:I don't like to brag, but I'm qualified to join MENSA.

Yeah, and so is everyone who scored 167+ on the LSAT.

'Grats.

I knew I was a genius.




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