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WSJ Article - Class Rank v. School Rank
This is a little bit dated, but has this article been discussed here?
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/07/30/new ... raight-as/
It takes a pretty strong side on several regular TLS arguments, namely, that class rank matters more than school eliteness.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/07/30/new ... raight-as/
It takes a pretty strong side on several regular TLS arguments, namely, that class rank matters more than school eliteness.
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TLS doesn't argue that grades trump prestige. TLS argues that because grades are an unknown and you can't even come close to guaranteeing yourself that you'll do better at a worse school that you should decide schools on either school prestige or scholarship money.
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Been discussed quite a lot.AP-375 wrote:This is a little bit dated, but has this article been discussed here?
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/07/30/new ... raight-as/
It takes a pretty strong side on several regular TLS arguments, namely, that class rank matters more than school eliteness.
Standard response is that the assumption that one's GPA would go up if he/she attended a lower ranked school and down if he/she attended a higher ranked school is simply unfounded.
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Do you know what year that data was published? I see similar lists differently organized all the time.
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bk187 wrote:TLS doesn't argue that grades trump prestige. TLS argues that because grades are an unknown and you can't even come close to guaranteeing yourself that you'll do better at a worse school that you should decide schools on either school prestige or scholarship money.
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Seriously. Lrn2statistics, guys.bk187 wrote:TLS doesn't argue that grades trump prestige. TLS argues that because grades are an unknown and you can't even come close to guaranteeing yourself that you'll do better at a worse school that you should decide schools on either school prestige or scholarship money.
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That's the list for last year's class. The new one comes out either at the end of this month or next month. Most ppl believe the percentages will have increased this year, especially for the schools already at the top.arvcondor wrote:Do you know what year that data was published? I see similar lists differently organized all the time.
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What is unstatistical about making your school decision by expecting you are most likely to be close to median, rather than hoping you'll be top 10%?d34dluk3 wrote:Seriously. Lrn2statistics, guys.bk187 wrote:TLS doesn't argue that grades trump prestige. TLS argues that because grades are an unknown and you can't even come close to guaranteeing yourself that you'll do better at a worse school that you should decide schools on either school prestige or scholarship money.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this were true for non t14. But there is just a huge drop off from t14 to non t14 that I can't believe it holds.
It also appears to not take into account GPA curves being much higher at T14.
It also appears to not take into account GPA curves being much higher at T14.
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Yeah, the study is suspect. But it agrees with everything else we see about grades being crucial (e.g. top 5% at Gtttown getting V5 when bottom half at Harvard can't).Desert Fox wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this were true for non t14. But there is just a huge drop off from t14 to non t14 that I can't believe it holds.
It also appears to not take into account GPA curves being much higher at T14.
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People really hate Georgetown here.d34dluk3 wrote:Yeah, the study is suspect. But it agrees with everything else we see about grades being crucial (e.g. top 5% at Gtttown getting V5 when bottom half at Harvard can't).Desert Fox wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this were true for non t14. But there is just a huge drop off from t14 to non t14 that I can't believe it holds.
It also appears to not take into account GPA curves being much higher at T14.
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Not really. But no one at Gtown could get into Harvard. So how does it make sense that they can get any job opportunities that are better?HeavenWood wrote:People really hate Georgetown here.d34dluk3 wrote:Yeah, the study is suspect. But it agrees with everything else we see about grades being crucial (e.g. top 5% at Gtttown getting V5 when bottom half at Harvard can't).Desert Fox wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this were true for non t14. But there is just a huge drop off from t14 to non t14 that I can't believe it holds.
It also appears to not take into account GPA curves being much higher at T14.
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that doesn't suggest otherwise at all, that just shows that a higher percentage of students from top schools go to top firms. It doesn't suggest that you'll have better job opps graduating at median at harvard than graduating top 10% at uiuc
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I wasn't disputing the difference in opportunities. I'm just entertained by the term GTTTown.d34dluk3 wrote:Not really. But no one at Gtown could get into Harvard. So how does it make sense that they can get any job opportunities that are better?HeavenWood wrote:People really hate Georgetown here.d34dluk3 wrote:Yeah, the study is suspect. But it agrees with everything else we see about grades being crucial (e.g. top 5% at Gtttown getting V5 when bottom half at Harvard can't).Desert Fox wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this were true for non t14. But there is just a huge drop off from t14 to non t14 that I can't believe it holds.
It also appears to not take into account GPA curves being much higher at T14.
Carry on.
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Sorry bro, they will decrease. 2009 grads did OCI pre-crash in 2007.pjo wrote:That's the list for last year's class. The new one comes out either at the end of this month or next month. Most ppl believe the percentages will have increased this year, especially for the schools already at the top.arvcondor wrote:Do you know what year that data was published? I see similar lists differently organized all the time.
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This is all you need to know: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/law%20sc ... page12.pdfHeavenWood wrote:I wasn't disputing the difference in opportunities. I'm just entertained by the term GTTTown.
Carry on.
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You're right about median at Harvard vs. top 10% at uiuc, but it does show that a median student at Harvard, for example, will have better employment prospects than top 10% at many other schools.dr123 wrote:that doesn't suggest otherwise at all, that just shows that a higher percentage of students from top schools go to top firms. It doesn't suggest that you'll have better job opps graduating at median at harvard than graduating top 10% at uiuc
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Ignorant.d34dluk3 wrote:Not really. But no one at Gtown could get into Harvard. So how does it make sense that they can get any job opportunities that are better?HeavenWood wrote:People really hate Georgetown here.d34dluk3 wrote:Yeah, the study is suspect. But it agrees with everything else we see about grades being crucial (e.g. top 5% at Gtttown getting V5 when bottom half at Harvard can't).Desert Fox wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this were true for non t14. But there is just a huge drop off from t14 to non t14 that I can't believe it holds.
It also appears to not take into account GPA curves being much higher at T14.
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