Yeah totally wrong. Admittedly I think deep dish pizza shouldn't even be called pizza.Reinhardt wrote:I don't think pizza counts in Yale's favor when OP is also considering Chicago.
New Haven Pizza > New York Pizza >>>>>> Chicago Pizza
Yeah totally wrong. Admittedly I think deep dish pizza shouldn't even be called pizza.Reinhardt wrote:I don't think pizza counts in Yale's favor when OP is also considering Chicago.
False. Deep dish >> all other pizzaschasgoose wrote:Yeah totally wrong. Admittedly I think deep dish pizza shouldn't even be called pizza.Reinhardt wrote:I don't think pizza counts in Yale's favor when OP is also considering Chicago.
New Haven Pizza > New York Pizza >>>>>> Chicago Pizza
GTFO. No pizza is better than New Haven pizza.Reinhardt wrote:I don't think pizza counts in Yale's favor when OP is also considering Chicago.
TITCR, time for me to start studying again.sundance95 wrote:Retake.
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Actually, LS may be a waste of your talents. I think if you are not gunning for like the best law scholar in the country, you can choose a more profitable career path.oxford_don wrote:TITCR, time for me to start studying again.sundance95 wrote:Retake.
If you get a 179 in June, there's always October.oxford_don wrote:TITCR, time for me to start studying again.sundance95 wrote:Retake.
Oooh. Dish. What's it like? Tell the story so those of use who will never see this famed binder can imagine it.oxford_don wrote:Damn this is a hard decision. I have only had these options for the last 24 hours, but already my head is spinning.
About to go to sleep, but after spending the night browsing through the Yale admitted students binder, I am starting to see why people do not turn down this school...
oxford_don wrote:Damn this is a hard decision. I have only had these options for the last 24 hours, but already my head is spinning.
About to go to sleep, but after spending the night browsing through the Yale admitted students binder, I am starting to see why people do not turn down this school...
It was a pretty ballsy move to open with a writeup of the architecture.marlstone wrote:I do agree that Yale's binder is much more classy than Harvard's...
oxford_don wrote:Damn this is a hard decision. I have only had these options for the last 24 hours, but already my head is spinning.
About to go to sleep, but after spending the night browsing through the Yale admitted students binder, I am starting to see why people do not turn down this school...
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DeepSeaLaw wrote:Although I still feel good about making my decision under my set of circumstances, part of me does wish that the Rubenstein had come alonga yeartwo years earlier so that I had a shot at it.
+1DeepSeaLaw wrote:I chose one of H/S over a Hamilton and think that Yale actually makes more sense for most people considering it vs. a big scholarship, but I think financial specifics make your decision a little trickier. The traditional Hamilton vs. YHS debate is usually a bit oversimplified in that people tend to disregard cost of living differences, generous need-based financial aid, and family help that make it so that the debt difference is rarely $200K+ vs. $50,000 or whatever. In your case, it sounds like it probably will be. Even if you can reduce your loans through high-paying summer work, your amortized amount of repayment over ten years would be over $300,000.
In biglaw, this is going to mean that you'll be paying about a third of your take-home pay just to cover the minimum payments. If you clerk for a year, the only assistance you'll get from COAP will be $10,000 of clerkship loans at 7.5% (not forgiven if you go into biglaw afterward). This is just a ton of money. Of course, if you do transition to the government, COAP will kick in, and you'll pay a lot less (e.g., $7,500 a year on a $90,000 salary). But overall, this is a lot of cash, and it will heavily affect things like being able to start a family, buy a home, etc.
Of course, Yale offers a lot of advantages that can't be quantified. Opportunities only available to great students at Chicago are arguably in reach for most Yalies. Chicago has the most differentiated curve of any top school, whereas Yale has none. Grade reform was a huge part of my decision -- while not the only reason I chose SLS, the knowledge that not doing well in a few 1L courses will show up as a few P's and not as potentially clerkship-wrecking, below-median letter grades is very reassuring -- and Yale's system is even more forgiving. Even ending up below median at Chicago is certainly no death sentence, but it also isn't nearly as comfortable as being amorphously not-a-top student at Yale. Many Yale Law students have done very interesting things, and your classmates are important as well.
It certainly wouldn't be crazy to pick Yale -- after all, you never get a chance to re-do law school -- but since you're not bent on academia or something else that screams "YLS," I would recommend really thinking about the fiscal realities before doing so. As a general side note, I think that due to the lower cost of living, small student body, and traditionally stronger placement in academia and clerkships, the Rubenstein is a lot more attractive for students in your situation than the Hamilton. Columbia is weakest in the areas that it is very hard for Hamilton students to accept -- in talking to other recipients last year, I encountered very few who weren't wary of giving up a higher chance at academia or jobs where a prestigious clerkship is prerequisite. Although I still feel good about making my decision under my set of circumstances, part of me does wish that the Rubenstein had come along a year earlier so that I had a shot at it. I don't know if I would have taken it, but I do know that it would have been even tougher for me to turn down than the Hamilton.
I applied in the 2009-2010 cycle...drylo wrote:DeepSeaLaw wrote:Although I still feel good about making my decision under my set of circumstances, part of me does wish that the Rubenstein had come alonga yeartwo years earlier so that I had a shot at it.
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Yeah, I was saying for me--in the 2008-09 cycle. I understand how that was confusing, though.DeepSeaLaw wrote:I applied in the 2009-2010 cycle...drylo wrote:DeepSeaLaw wrote:Although I still feel good about making my decision under my set of circumstances, part of me does wish that the Rubenstein had come alonga yeartwo years earlier so that I had a shot at it.
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I'm most definitely going to do this. I haven't been accepted to Yale but if I do I won't be going. I'll be going to Harvard Law for free and no way will I turn down that for what people on here perceive some Yale advantage. I just can't see myself turning down that money to live in New Haven. As a side note some of the Yale students (actually mostly future Yale students) on TLS don't represent a great institution like YLS very well, at least IMO.r6_philly wrote:tkgrrett wrote:This is a TLS myth. People turn down Yale for money fairly often.oxford_don wrote:I am about to sound like an idiot to some people:
Why does nobody turn down Yale? Discuss.
ETA: I voted Rubenstein.
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