blacklawboss wrote:I'm 35 and will turn 36 a month into my 1st semester of law school! its now or never!!!!!
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blacklawboss wrote:I'm 35 and will turn 36 a month into my 1st semester of law school! its now or never!!!!!
1000% agree with you! I'm friggin excited to start school! top 5% here I comelolschool2011 wrote:I'm a little younger... but here's the way I see it: If we focus on being healthy/active and medical science continues to advance... even if one started LS at 40, you can work a good 30 years before you decide to devote your time to your hobbies/grandchildren/etc. What is "retirement" anyway? There's plenty of 70+ year olds in law/business. (look at most CEO's) This is a terrible example (and I WISH he'd retire) but consider someone like Rupert Murdoch who is 79 and heads News Corp. 30's are definitely the new 20's... and the more I think of it, the more I realize I'm infinitely better suited for law school now than I was immediately after UG.blacklawboss wrote:I'm 35 and will turn 36 a month into my 1st semester of law school! its now or never!!!!!
You know - re: LS debt, who cares? I mean, even if you take out 160k, on a 30 year amortization and a 5-6% rate, the payment will only be about 1k/month.burger lover wrote:this thread makes me happy and neurotic at the same time.
happy to see there are other thirtysomethings out there thinking about something other than UG senior-itis...
neurotic because you all seem to be going about this whole law school thing in a much more mature way than i am.
i've been thinking about law school for years, and finally resolved a lot of personal bid-ness so i can go in the fall.
applied ED to uva in september and was accepted (yay!). but i'm having major anxiety now about paying sticker at my age.
is anyone else out there in my boat?
I totally get you. I was accepted at UT a couple of weeks ago, but as of right now I haven't had a scholly offer from them. I'm hoping that my being a single mom will qualify me for some need-based $$, but who knows. I was offered schollies elsewhere, but I really want UT because I think it will give me the most employment options, it's close enough for me to commute (i live in a paid-for house), and I LOVE Austin.burger lover wrote:this thread makes me happy and neurotic at the same time.
happy to see there are other thirtysomethings out there thinking about something other than UG senior-itis...
neurotic because you all seem to be going about this whole law school thing in a much more mature way than i am.
i've been thinking about law school for years, and finally resolved a lot of personal bid-ness so i can go in the fall.
applied ED to uva in september and was accepted (yay!). but i'm having major anxiety now about paying sticker at my age.
is anyone else out there in my boat?
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i think i'm going to make a sign that says "a transformative move in your career that'll increase your earnings potential for the rest of your life" and hang it next to my bed so i can look at it every night. ha.lolschool2011 wrote:You know - re: LS debt, who cares? I mean, even if you take out 160k, on a 30 year amortization and a 5-6% rate, the payment will only be about 1k/month.burger lover wrote:this thread makes me happy and neurotic at the same time.
happy to see there are other thirtysomethings out there thinking about something other than UG senior-itis...
neurotic because you all seem to be going about this whole law school thing in a much more mature way than i am.
i've been thinking about law school for years, and finally resolved a lot of personal bid-ness so i can go in the fall.
applied ED to uva in september and was accepted (yay!). but i'm having major anxiety now about paying sticker at my age.
is anyone else out there in my boat?
Yes, 1k/month payment isn't peanuts, but relatively speaking, that for a transformative move in your career that'll increase your earnings potential for the rest of your life really isn't that bad. You have to think of this debt from a relativist point of view.
Note: I personally would not pay sticker to where I'm going - but I might be tempted for a higher ranked school.
thisLeira7905 wrote:But, ya know what? I figure, I didn't come this far to get chicken-shit now...
I say if you got a 2/7 off suit, still go all in. You could still flop three sevens.firemed wrote:I liken this to poker: You make the best hand you can... and you want to bet only what you can afford.
But sometimes you have pocket aces before the flop and you just have to go all in and hope for the best.
Personally I am sitting with pocket Jacks, but then again, I only got about half my stack committed. So I am feeling pretty good about it.
But you fold all the time in Poker, and most of the time it doesn't cost you anything.firemed wrote:I liken this to poker: You make the best hand you can... and you want to bet only what you can afford.
But sometimes you have pocket aces before the flop and you just have to go all in and hope for the best.
Personally I am sitting with pocket Jacks, but then again, I only got about half my stack committed. So I am feeling pretty good about it.
The problem with your analogy is that, in law school, you have no idea what your hand is before you have to risk chips. You don't know if you're smarter or a harder worker than your classmates will be. You have no idea how your intelligence, work ethic, and acumen for law stack up against the competition. In poker, you can rely on statistics to come up with a preflop estimate of your hand's strength. Imagine playing the game with the constraint that you can't look at your hole cards until the turn. That's law school. You get a hand, put your money in the pot, and only then do you discover whether your bet was foolish or not. But most preflop hands would be losers if everyone stayed in for a showdown. So too in law school you have a few lucky winners and the rest of the table scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.firemed wrote:I liken this to poker: You make the best hand you can... and you want to bet only what you can afford.
But sometimes you have pocket aces before the flop and you just have to go all in and hope for the best.
Personally I am sitting with pocket Jacks, but then again, I only got about half my stack committed. So I am feeling pretty good about it.
The double aces I was referring to was getting into a T14.JazzOne wrote: The problem with your analogy is that, in law school, you have no idea what your hand is before you have to risk chips. You don't know if you're smarter or a harder worker than your classmates will be. You have no idea how your intelligence, work ethic, and acumen for law stack up against the competition. In poker, you can rely on statistics to come up with a preflop estimate of your hand's strength. Imagine playing the game with the constraint that you can't look at your hole cards until the turn. That's law school. You get a hand, put your money in the pot, and only then do you discover whether your bet was foolish or not. But most preflop hands would be losers if everyone stayed in for a showdown. So too in law school you have a few lucky winners and the rest of the table scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.
Ah... I see what you did there. Can we never mention my skills at stats again?gregthomas77 wrote:I say if you got a 2/7 off suit, still go all in. You could still flop three sevens.firemed wrote:I liken this to poker: You make the best hand you can... and you want to bet only what you can afford.
But sometimes you have pocket aces before the flop and you just have to go all in and hope for the best.
Personally I am sitting with pocket Jacks, but then again, I only got about half my stack committed. So I am feeling pretty good about it.
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firemed wrote:
Ah... I see what you did there. Can we never mention my skills at stats again?
You know what is really sad? I got an A+ in my 300 level stats class. I used to be really good at them. I even liked them. That makes today even more embarrassing.r6_philly wrote:firemed wrote:
Ah... I see what you did there. Can we never mention my skills at stats again?
Oh man you are having a rough math day.
Texas Hold 'Em!JazzOne wrote:The problem with your analogy is that, in law school, you have no idea what your hand is before you have to risk chips. You don't know if you're smarter or a harder worker than your classmates will be. You have no idea how your intelligence, work ethic, and acumen for law stack up against the competition. In poker, you can rely on statistics to come up with a preflop estimate of your hand's strength. Imagine playing the game with the constraint that you can't look at your hole cards until the turn. That's law school. You get a hand, put your money in the pot, and only then do you discover whether your bet was foolish or not. But most preflop hands would be losers if everyone stayed in for a showdown. So too in law school you have a few lucky winners and the rest of the table scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.firemed wrote:I liken this to poker: You make the best hand you can... and you want to bet only what you can afford.
But sometimes you have pocket aces before the flop and you just have to go all in and hope for the best.
Personally I am sitting with pocket Jacks, but then again, I only got about half my stack committed. So I am feeling pretty good about it.
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Ah, I misunderstood the context of your analogy. The law school gamble depends on both the prestige of your school and your rank at that school. So maybe it's hold 'em, but you only get to see one hole card.firemed wrote:The double aces I was referring to was getting into a T14.JazzOne wrote: The problem with your analogy is that, in law school, you have no idea what your hand is before you have to risk chips. You don't know if you're smarter or a harder worker than your classmates will be. You have no idea how your intelligence, work ethic, and acumen for law stack up against the competition. In poker, you can rely on statistics to come up with a preflop estimate of your hand's strength. Imagine playing the game with the constraint that you can't look at your hole cards until the turn. That's law school. You get a hand, put your money in the pot, and only then do you discover whether your bet was foolish or not. But most preflop hands would be losers if everyone stayed in for a showdown. So too in law school you have a few lucky winners and the rest of the table scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.
My double jacks referred to a strong regional school with good employment prospects.
I agree that you can't base your hole cards on your own intelligence, work ethic, etc. The most you can see "pre-flop" is how good a school you are getting into, and how well their graduates seem to be doing.
I think the hold 'em analogy is pretty good. HYS is pocket A's, CCN pocket K's, MVP pocket Q's.JazzOne wrote:Ah, I misunderstood the context of your analogy. The law school gamble depends on both the prestige of your school and your rank at that school. So maybe it's hold 'em, but you only get to see one hole card.
My wife is sick so I tried to do a load of laundry. She was watching me as I played it cool trying to find the start button. She just snarked at me, "Get the f--k out of here." Embarrassed to say it, I got no skills.LilMonsterAnnie wrote:sidhesadie wrote:emhellmer wrote:I wish I had one of those too!I could never have done it with younger kids unless I had a wife! LOL.
I know, it's enough to make me consider switching teams! lol
My boyfriend put a sticky note on the dishwasher the other day that said "run me".
Now, wouldn't it have taken exactly the same amount of time to PUSH THE BUTTON YOURSELF? (less, actually)
sorry, but he wins the putz award
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Hmmm... I like this analogy more... but I think the river should be the economy when u graduate maybe? Like the previous two years classes were hoping for a flush or a straight, or even a straight flush and then got dealt the dreaded two of diamonds.Stringer Bell wrote:I think the hold 'em analogy is pretty good. HYS is pocket A's, CCN pocket K's, MVP pocket Q's.JazzOne wrote:Ah, I misunderstood the context of your analogy. The law school gamble depends on both the prestige of your school and your rank at that school. So maybe it's hold 'em, but you only get to see one hole card.
EDIT: The flop is 1L grades. The turn is interviewing skills and the river is whether or not you get offered after an SA.
So then, with this analogy, if you go with the worst hole cards possible (say Cooley or Ave Marie or whatever), and you get a great flop (great grades) and good turn and river cards (good interviewing skills and a job offer), you beat someone who had better hole cards? Sorry, this proves that this analogy fails. Because there is no "matching" involved in this analogy as there is in poker, the shared cards (everyone gets good grades, everyone has good interviewing skills, everyone gets offered a job) means that the person with the best hole cards (law school attended) would be the winner.firemed wrote:Hmmm... I like this analogy more... but I think the river should be the economy when u graduate maybe? Like the previous two years classes were hoping for a flush or a straight, or even a straight flush and then got dealt the dreaded two of diamonds.Stringer Bell wrote:I think the hold 'em analogy is pretty good. HYS is pocket A's, CCN pocket K's, MVP pocket Q's.JazzOne wrote:Ah, I misunderstood the context of your analogy. The law school gamble depends on both the prestige of your school and your rank at that school. So maybe it's hold 'em, but you only get to see one hole card.
EDIT: The flop is 1L grades. The turn is interviewing skills and the river is whether or not you get offered after an SA.
I always cheat at cardsfiremed wrote:Hmmm... I like this analogy more... but I think the river should be the economy when u graduate maybe? Like the previous two years classes were hoping for a flush or a straight, or even a straight flush and then got dealt the dreaded two of diamonds.Stringer Bell wrote:I think the hold 'em analogy is pretty good. HYS is pocket A's, CCN pocket K's, MVP pocket Q's.JazzOne wrote:Ah, I misunderstood the context of your analogy. The law school gamble depends on both the prestige of your school and your rank at that school. So maybe it's hold 'em, but you only get to see one hole card.
EDIT: The flop is 1L grades. The turn is interviewing skills and the river is whether or not you get offered after an SA.
The analogy isn't perfect, but it makes some sense and I don't think your counter exposes any flaw with it. There will be a few folks at really crappy schools that get better jobs than MVP folks. The top 1% at Cooley (or maybe not Cooley, but another 4th tier school) is holding a 7-2 off suit and flops a 7-5-2 while their opponent is the MVP student with pocket Q's that finished in the bottom 10%.gregthomas77 wrote:So then, with this analogy, if you go with the worst hole cards possible (say Cooley or Ave Marie or whatever), and you get a great flop (great grades) and good turn and river cards (good interviewing skills and a job offer), you beat someone who had better hole cards? Sorry, this proves that this analogy fails. Because there is no "matching" involved in this analogy as there is in poker, the shared cards (everyone gets good grades, everyone has good interviewing skills, everyone gets offered a job) means that the person with the best hole cards (law school attended) would be the winner.
However, the falseness of the analogy does serve to build the argument of all of the elitists at TLS. If you are a hard worker, a good interviewer, etc. and you believe that that is enough to get you a good job in spite of which law school you went to, you have to factor in the fact that there will be someone else who is just as good as you in every way, and the tie breaker will be the name on your diploma.
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