Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

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Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby msh342 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:22 pm

In terms of career prospects and student morale. I've talked with many Brooklyn students who are upset by the perceptions of their school due to the scandal....

Cardozo (sticker)
Brooklyn (12k / y)

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby cinephile » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:35 pm

The career prospects are roughly the same at these schools, but I don't know about student morale.

Between these two schools, I'd take Brooklyn given the scholarship.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby icouldbuyu » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:37 pm

What about St. John's or Hofstra with more Scholarship money?

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby MrAnon » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:43 pm

What scandal? The diesel jeans thing in their library? Tell them not to worry for long because they will soon be working in professions that are not law related where they will not need to tell anybody they went to Brooklyn.

And frankly, they should have been worried long before that, like when they heard the biggest dorm was named after Geraldo.

Cardozo really is no better reputation wise. You will always find 1 or 2 grads from these schools in your typical biglaw firm but most of them are fighting over the same client dollars in local courts in NY/NJ

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby gbpackerbacker » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:49 pm

What are your career goals? From what I have heard and read, 'dozo is rarely worth sticker...

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby msh342 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:51 pm

My career goals are simple. To be employed as a lawyer. I understand biglaw is incredibly difficult to break through ITE, especially from anywhere below T14....

Cardozo may also match my need-based scholarship, ie. $10k a year no stipulations.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby General Tso » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:52 pm

I probably would not do either unless you have enough self financing to keep debt under 75k or so.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby bk1 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:53 pm

No, Cardozo is not significantly better than Brooklyn.

That being said, neither of them are really that much better than St. John's. I'd probably go there for as large a scholarship as possible (asking to get stipulations removed) than to either Cardozo at sticker or BLS at 12k/year.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby phonepro » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:26 am

you should'nt post this question at TLS. BLS is not as bad as people are making it out to be. The alumni connections are great, and if you graduate within the top 20% you have a very good chance of getting an excellent job. Take the scholarship at BLS.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby Veyron » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:27 am

Career prospects are similarly crap.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby General Tso » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:10 am

phonepro wrote:you should'nt post this question at TLS. BLS is not as bad as people are making it out to be. The alumni connections are great, and if you graduate within the top 20% you have a very good chance of getting an excellent job. Take the scholarship at BLS.


I'm on the other coast but at a similarly ranked school....top 25% doesn't mean much right now. even top 2% is no guarantee for T2 schools.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby ligirl » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:46 pm

i go to brooklyn and just want to comment that not too many people even care about the "scandal" anymore. it's over with and no one talks about it

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby of Benito Cereno » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:48 pm

cardozo has a distinctly better reputation in new york as far as i can tell. brooklyn is seen as really sleezy and crappy like new york law or touro.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:06 pm

Neither.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby BarbellDreams » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:45 pm

Honestly neither, but Dozo is a good deal better than Brooklyn IMO.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby lawbound2014 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:18 pm

Assuming the economy doesn't pick up then neither is worth paying for, unless you get more than half tuition in scholarships without grade stipulations. IMO you should see if you can get full rides at lower nyc schools. Good Luck

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby Grizz » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:31 pm

cinephile wrote:The career prospects are roughly the same at these schools, but I don't know about student morale.

Between these two schools, I'd take Brooklyn given the scholarship. retake the LSAT, for the love of all that is holy

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby Helmholtz » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:38 pm

For any question that starts out with "Is Cardozo significantly better than....", the answer is almost certainly "no."

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby SupraVln180 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:39 pm

I dont think I would attend either, however I wouldn't be suprised if Brooklyn passes or gets ridiculously close to Cardozo in the USNWR rankings this year based on Cardozo's medians look like they may down based on LSN so far, and Brooklyns bar passage rate is like 6 percentage points better than Cardozo or something.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby apollo13 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:34 am

Both ain't worth it ITE.
Go there unless you have $$ scholy

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby Stringer6 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:45 am

even top 2% is no guarantee for T2 schools.


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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby HeavenWood » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:51 pm

rad law wrote:
cinephile wrote:The career prospects are roughly the same at these schools, but I don't know about student morale.

Between these two schools, I'd take Brooklyn given the scholarship. retake the LSAT, for the love of all that is holy

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby TTH » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:09 pm

Rutgers.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby MrAnon » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:55 pm

The problem with this thread is that it poses the wrong question. The question should be, "Got into Cardozo and Brooklyn; should I even go to law school?" I would say the answer is no. Why? Because the chances that you will be in a better position in 4 years than you are right now run about 5-10%.

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Re: Is Cardozo significantly better than Brooklyn....

Postby blsingindisguise » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:18 am

Well, I have to stick up for Brooklyn a little bit here --

(1) there is no dorm named after Geraldo. The largest dorm is called Feil Hall. There is a little lounge that Geraldo Rivera, a graduate, donated.

(2) No, it is not perceived as "sleazy like Touro" or whatever. It's 110 years old and has a disproportionately high number of people in top firms compared to Cardozo and other T2s. Cardozo is relatively new and less established.

All that said, I wouldn't go to either without significant scholarship. Maybe Cardozo's current ranking in US News gives you, like, a 5% chance vs. a 3% chance of a 160k/year job. The vast majority of both schools will likely graduate unemployed for the next few years at least.




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