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ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby iWayneState » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:42 pm

Here are a list of schools that I would come to think would have pretty good law schools but seem to be under performing and are ranked lower than I would expect.

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1. Case Western Reserve
2. Villanova
3. Richmond
4. Michigan State
5. Tulane


I am interested in others thoughts on this list.

For me the most surprising is Case Western due to their UG rep and WashU being ranked so highly.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby LeDique » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:01 pm

This has everything to do with the LSAT.

Also I don't understand what "WashU being ranked so highly" has to do with anything.
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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby D-ROCCA » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:03 pm

Michigan State is TTT outside Michigan, which is where you are from I'm guessing.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby iWayneState » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:08 pm

LeDique wrote:This has everything to do with the LSAT.

Also I don't understand what "WashU being ranked so highly" has to do with anything.


made the thread for the dec test takers. WashU and CRU are similar schools in the same conference. My apologies if this thread was some sort of an inconvenience to you - child.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby Grizz » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:09 pm

iWayneState wrote:I am interested in others thoughts on this list.


What is the point of this list and why is it in the LSAT prep forum.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby JazzOne » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:10 pm

D-ROCCA wrote:Michigan State is TTT outside Michigan, which is where you are from I'm guessing.

+1

No one outside of Michigan thinks State is a good school. Well, except my neighbor who flies a green flag every Saturday. He has no idea how much of a douche everyone thinks he is since he lives in west Texas.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby iWayneState » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:10 pm

D-ROCCA wrote:Michigan State is TTT outside Michigan, which is where you are from I'm guessing.


Not from MI. Chose the username for the hell of it.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:11 pm

Wait, so this thread is "please comment on my list of schools that I thought would be better before I did research and found out they weren't that good"?

Is there a point that i'm missing?

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby thisguy456 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:12 pm

Georgetown

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby megaTTTron » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:19 pm

rad law wrote:
iWayneState wrote:I am interested in others thoughts on this list.


What is the point of this list and why is it in the LSAT prep forum.


I don't know if you meant this sarcastically but I lol'd. thank you.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby sophia.olive » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:21 pm

wayne you are such a silly little man. none of this stuff works out for you does it? And I dont know what island you are are from to come up with that list.

But I'll play:
Florida State/Uflorida
Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA
Penn State
I guess big state schools that are good in sports, generally.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby megaTTTron » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:26 pm

sophia.olive wrote:wayne you are such a silly little man. none of this stuff works out for you does it? And I dont know what island you are are from to come up with that list.

But I'll play:
Florida State/Uflorida
Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA

Penn State
I guess big state schools that are good in sports, generally.


dear god. COME on. "great name rec but bad law schools"? gtfo.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby 09042014 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:27 pm

A lot of good regional universities have really terrible law schools.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby JazzOne » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:36 pm

megaTTTron wrote:
sophia.olive wrote:wayne you are such a silly little man. none of this stuff works out for you does it? And I dont know what island you are are from to come up with that list.

But I'll play:
Florida State/Uflorida
Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA

Penn State
I guess big state schools that are good in sports, generally.


dear god. COME on. "great name rec but bad law schools"? gtfo.

Yeah really. Who the hell ever heard of Cornell?

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby savagecheater » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:40 pm

sophia.olive wrote:wayne you are such a silly little man. none of this stuff works out for you does it? And I dont know what island you are are from to come up with that list.

Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA


edgy, OH SO EDGY!

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby calilaw » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:40 pm

megaTTTron wrote:
sophia.olive wrote:wayne you are such a silly little man. none of this stuff works out for you does it? And I dont know what island you are are from to come up with that list.

But I'll play:
Florida State/Uflorida
Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA

Penn State
I guess big state schools that are good in sports, generally.


dear god. COME on. "great name rec but bad law schools"? gtfo.


+1

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby 09042014 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:41 pm

JazzOne wrote:
megaTTTron wrote:
sophia.olive wrote:wayne you are such a silly little man. none of this stuff works out for you does it? And I dont know what island you are are from to come up with that list.

But I'll play:
Florida State/Uflorida
Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA

Penn State
I guess big state schools that are good in sports, generally.


dear god. COME on. "great name rec but bad law schools"? gtfo.

Yeah really. Who the hell ever heard of Cornell?


TITCR

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby Bildungsroman » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:43 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
JazzOne wrote:Yeah really. Who the hell ever heard of Cornell?


TITCR


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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby SchopenhauerFTW » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:27 pm

I already blew my Cornell-joke wad in the OP's other thread that was also targeted by the same superior TLS posters in their blitzkrieg advance.

Still funny though.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:57 pm

iWayneState wrote:Here are a list of schools that I would come to think would have pretty good law schools but seem to be under performing and are ranked lower than I would expect.

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1. Case Western Reserve
2. Villanova
3. Richmond
4. Michigan State
5. Tulane


I am interested in others thoughts on this list.

For me the most surprising is Case Western due to their UG rep and WashU being ranked so highly.


Case Western isn't a bad law school. Cleveland HAS a legal market, and it isn't one a lot of people shoot for in other cities. That being said, outside of the midwest, Case Western has barely any name recognition, except for the people who know about the biological sciences

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby robotclubmember » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:25 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
iWayneState wrote:Here are a list of schools that I would come to think would have pretty good law schools but seem to be under performing and are ranked lower than I would expect.

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1. Case Western Reserve
2. Villanova
3. Richmond
4. Michigan State
5. Tulane


I am interested in others thoughts on this list.

For me the most surprising is Case Western due to their UG rep and WashU being ranked so highly.


Case Western isn't a bad law school. Cleveland HAS a legal market, and it isn't one a lot of people shoot for in other cities. That being said, outside of the midwest, Case Western has barely any name recognition, except for the people who know about the biological sciences


I live in Cleveland, so I'll scoop on Case Western a bit since I have some friends that go or have gone.

First of all, great place to pick up women. I did not go to CWRU but I've dated four girls that went there in the last two years (only one from the law school though). This is because the men are all gunners, Asians who can't get their noses out of books (re: undergrad, haven't seen many Asians in CWRU law) or just flat-out nerds. The women are desperate. Everytime I go to the CWRU law school to study or whatever I see at least one asshole with a bow-tie. It's awful. Only black muslims look legit in bow ties, and that's a fact. GTFO Tucker Carlson wannabes.

That said, I often here complaints about CWRU's career services office. Cleveland's been hit hard, we're basically the next Detroit, so in this legal market, most decent firms with offices here (Thompson & Hine, Baker Hostetler, etc) will only look at you if you are in the top 10% of the class @ Case. That's their cutoff and it's explicitly known. But a pretty significant chunk of the top 10% of CWRU usually transfers out. So almost no one that actually goes to Case can apply to those jobs, because career services office does not adjust the top 10% for students that have left.

It's sad that anecdotal evidence is among the best form of evidence of a non T14 law school's performance in career placement. But it's true, because their surveys are tragically flawed (working at Subway counts as being employed in their statistics! But they conveniently discriminate salary data so that Subway doesn't count as "private" or "public", therefore not tainting their salary statistics, lol). So, anecdotally, we had a CWRU law grad applying for a job at my firm (Big Four accounting), actually for consulting work, not tax. My partner is kind of a snob, lol, so he pried and asked the interviewee how many of the people in his class had found jobs (this was about 6 months after graduation, and the interviewee had obv not found a job yet). He said he thinks around 10%. Now, I think that might be a little low even for Case based on what I've heard from students that currently go there, but I don't think that that estimate is out of the ballpark either. They can only find unpaid internships generally and work their guts out. The one guy I know who got a good job after graduating was connected anyway, he could have gone to any school and his dad would have gotten him a job and had his cronies putting their jackets into puddles at street crosswalks for the kid.

That said, I'm not sure CWRU really has a great reputation.

Can't comment on the other schools, just thought I'd share what I do know.
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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby nygrrrl » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:27 pm

I'll let it run... but not in LSAT Prep. Enjoy "Choosing a Law School" forum.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby 2014 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:16 pm

Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown.

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby Lawquacious » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:28 pm

2014 wrote:Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown.


Yeah I heard Dartmouth sucks for law school- one of my buddies decided to go to their medical school instead. Princeton Law is one of the best though so I don't know what you're talking about there. :wink:

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Re: ITT: Schools that have great name rec. but bad law schools.

Postby snowpeach06 » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:36 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:Case Western isn't a bad law school. Cleveland HAS a legal market, and it isn't one a lot of people shoot for in other cities. That being said, outside of the midwest, Case Western has barely any name recognition, except for the people who know about the biological sciences

Yeah, no one on the east coast has ever heard of it. But everyone in any science or engineering field has.

robotclubmember wrote:I live in Cleveland, so I'll scoop on Case Western a bit since I have some friends that go or have gone.

First of all, great place to pick up women. I did not go to CWRU but I've dated four girls that went there in the last two years (only one from the law school though). This is because the men are all gunners, Asians who can't get their noses out of books (re: undergrad, haven't seen many Asians in CWRU law) or just flat-out nerds. The women are desperate. Everytime I go to the CWRU law school to study or whatever I see at least one asshole with a bow-tie. It's awful. Only black muslims look legit in bow ties, and that's a fact. GTFO Tucker Carlson wannabes.

That said, I often here complaints about CWRU's career services office. Cleveland's been hit hard, we're basically the next Detroit, so in this legal market, most decent firms with offices here (Thompson & Hine, Baker Hostetler, etc) will only look at you if you are in the top 10% of the class @ Case. That's their cutoff and it's explicitly known. But a pretty significant chunk of the top 10% of CWRU usually transfers out. So almost no one that actually goes to Case can apply to those jobs, because career services office does not adjust the top 10% for students that have left.

It's sad that anecdotal evidence is among the best form of evidence of a non T14 law school's performance in career placement. But it's true, because their surveys are tragically flawed (working at Subway counts as being employed in their statistics! But they conveniently discriminate salary data so that Subway doesn't count as "private" or "public", therefore not tainting their salary statistics, lol). So, anecdotally, we had a CWRU law grad applying for a job at my firm (Big Four accounting), actually for consulting work, not tax. My partner is kind of a snob, lol, so he pried and asked the interviewee how many of the people in his class had found jobs (this was about 6 months after graduation, and the interviewee had obv not found a job yet). He said he thinks around 10%. Now, I think that might be a little low even for Case based on what I've heard from students that currently go there, but I don't think that that estimate is out of the ballpark either. They can only find unpaid internships generally and work their guts out. The one guy I know who got a good job after graduating was connected anyway, he could have gone to any school and his dad would have gotten him a job and had his cronies putting their jackets into puddles at street crosswalks for the kid.

That said, I'm not sure CWRU really has a great reputation.

Can't comment on the other schools, just thought I'd share what I do know.

To comment as an actual Case undergrad/law student... true story about the pathetic undergrad men. Also true, we have this one kid nicknamed bow-tie-boy. He thinks he's the coolest... almost no one likes him. And his nickname is widely known.

However, I think everything else you've said isn't as correct. Our CSO is great, and are really pushing to expand Case's reach. I don't know many 3L's, but, I do know a fair number of 2L's and they all have great summer jobs lined up. Jones Day in Cleveland hires tons and tons of case grads as well.

Anyway, Case undergrad and Case law are similarly ranked. There isn't really any discrepancy there. And I wasn't aware that Villanova or Richmond were that good of schools. But, for any school to have a T3 - I suppose its surprising.




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