Aqualibrium wrote:SBL wrote:You don't have to be from a city to have a pretty good idea that there's not a lot going on for graduates of the T4 law school there. I don't need to know where to get the best burrito in order to know that (1.) compared to major cities (NY/LA/etc.) the legal market is tiny and (2.) students from the T4 school are going to be pretty far down the pecking order. If you've got evidence to suggest that there are vastly more summer associate positions at good firms (meaning not insurance defense, not family law, etc.) than I've indicated (meaning, let's say, more than double what shows up on NALP), then by all means, I'm all ears. I don't really have a horse in this race one way or another. But "I live here and golf with local attornies" isn't really selling me.
There are vastly more than 50 summer associate jobs at "good firms." You pull a number out of your ass, support it by referencing NALP, and call it evidence? Then you guesstimate based on your already inaccurate picture and call it evidence? Get real.
Also, no one is going to argue that Loyola is some sort of powerhouse. That isn't true. From the beginning, my contention was that 1) There is a perception of Tulane students as flight risks 2) New Orleans firms still hire from Tulane, but they hire from Loyola as well 3) For a Louisiana resident who wants to work in New Orleans, Loyola with money may be a better option than the more expensive school across the street...for 50-150k more, Tulane is not worth the marginally worse than at Loyola class rank you'd need to still get firm work in New Orleans. Again, no one is digging down to the median at either school. At either school, to be safe, you're gonna need to be in the top quarter.
You're sitting here arguing that Loyola grads have no chance at "real" or "legit" firm work, and you're just flat out WRONG. You're arguing that the school isn't worth going to for someone who wants to work in the city, and would have a significantly lower debt load at the school than at Tulane, because only the top "few percent, if that have any shot at legit firm jobs/Loyola grads are completely foreclosed from doing legit firm work." You are WRONG.
It's not about playing golf, it's about seeing, more often than not, equal amounts of Tulane and Loyola grads at most of the very best firms in New Orleans. Both on their web rosters, and with my own two eyes. It's about personally knowing people who went through the job search process from both schools. In this one though, you don't have a dog in the fight, and you are just flat out wrong.
To all the people who look at this thread in the future:
If you are a Louisiana resident, Loyola offers you money, and you want to live and work in New Orleans, Loyola is good bet depending on your potential debt load at Tulane. Tulane is a good school, but it very well may not be worth the increased cost if you know with some degree of certainty that New Orleans is where you want to settle.