WM $$ v. GULC sticker Forum

[im_blue]

Im sure you're right, but I didn't think I would get money at wm either, and im trying to be sure of the decision. Maybe it will be made for me...strangely that would be kind of nice.

It has already been made for you - GULC isn't going to happen with your numbers. It's not worth sticker ITE anyway.

I'm at the medians for the GULC PT program, and my understanding is that transferring to FT is pretty simple.
The second part of your post is the crux of my question...Given the option, is GULC worth sticker when W&M with scholly is an option?

GULC PT medians are 3.62/166 and will surely go up after US News starting counting PT numbers.
http://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/S ... BA5244.pdf

[IAFG]

Get an MPP. If you want to work in politics/policy a JD is the most expensive way to get there. The cheapest, actually, is to get a job on the Hill and pay your dues.

[Capitol A]

Get an MPP. If you want to work in politics/policy a JD is the most expensive way to get there. The cheapest, actually, is to get a job on the Hill and pay your dues.

Good point, but my goals are quite a bit more complicated than that....No reason/room here to explain, but I'm confident in my path.

I'm at the medians for the GULC PT program, and my understanding is that transferring to FT is pretty simple.
The second part of your post is the crux of my question...Given the option, is GULC worth sticker when W&M with scholly is an option?

I'm fairly certain that the median GULC PT numbers on the TLS profile are no longer correct, if that is where you're drawing that data from.

Applicants on LSN accepted to gulc last cycle with a 165 or below (both FT and PT programs):
http://gulc.lawschoolnumbers.com/applic ... =3&type=jd

URMs: 18/19

hmmmm....That's interesting....Oh well. It seems like GULC is out of the question, and honestly, paying sticker pretty much anywhere is basically out of the question for me, so my mind is pretty much set on W&M.

[beachbum]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Hm. A little boring vs. horrible crime/murder-rate? Toughhhh decision.

I wouldn't spend a year in my life in St. Louis. Life is short, no reason to make it shorter by living in St. Louis.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/Me ... nk_Rev.pdf

Look at #103. Crime rates in St. Louis (including on the most recent list in which St. Louis was given the distinction of "most dangerous city") are often exaggerated by not including the entire metro area (which is often included for other cities) and/or by including data for East St. Louis (which is the cesspool of crime across the river). HTH.

[IAFG]

Lemme guess, by "complicated" you mean you plan to run for office.

[NayBoer]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Hm. A little boring vs. horrible crime/murder-rate? Toughhhh decision.

I wouldn't spend a year in my life in St. Louis. Life is short, no reason to make it shorter by living in St. Louis.

Not all parts of St. Louis are the same. WashU is in a fairly safe area, I grew up a few minutes away.

The US has one of the highest murder rates in the OECD. By your logic, living anywhere in the US is equally dangerous because they're all in the US. Not all the US has the same murder rate, not all St. Louis has the same murder rate.

[Capitol A]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Hm. A little boring vs. horrible crime/murder-rate? Toughhhh decision.

I wouldn't spend a year in my life in St. Louis. Life is short, no reason to make it shorter by living in St. Louis.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/Me ... nk_Rev.pdf

Look at #103. Crime rates in St. Louis (including on the most recent list in which St. Louis was given the distinction of "most dangerous city") are often exaggerated by not including the entire metro area (which is often included for other cities) and/or by including data for East St. Louis (which is the cesspool of crime across the river). HTH.

This is all very interesting....Just out of curiosity...Which one of the schools in question is in the STL?
FWIW, I race the Gateway Cup in StLouis every year, and for the most part I have had great experiences. The Hill is really cool, as is Lafeyette Square; but other than professional sports, there is absolutely nothing in StL that is not in Williamsburg, in terms of entertainment. That's probably why Williamsburg gets 4million tourists every year, and StL gets 4. That doesn't make Williamsburg a better place to live, but for my money I can go without pro sports if it means better weather, lower crime (two 10year olds did try to mug me before my last race there), more outdoor activities and less population density, but that's just me...and none of this is nearly as important as making sure I get the best education and ROI that I can out of my law school (which was the whole point of this discussion to begin with).

[Stringer Bell]

165/3.62.
Why does that matter?

Because without URM and with those numbers, you're almost assuredly not gonna get into Penn, Vandy, or GULC, so this makes your decision much easier.

[beachbum]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Hm. A little boring vs. horrible crime/murder-rate? Toughhhh decision.

I wouldn't spend a year in my life in St. Louis. Life is short, no reason to make it shorter by living in St. Louis.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/Me ... nk_Rev.pdf

Look at #103. Crime rates in St. Louis (including on the most recent list in which St. Louis was given the distinction of "most dangerous city") are often exaggerated by not including the entire metro area (which is often included for other cities) and/or by including data for East St. Louis (which is the cesspool of crime across the river). HTH.

This is all very interesting....Just out of curiosity...Which one of the schools in question is in the STL?
FWIW, I race the Gateway Cup in StLouis every year, and for the most part I have had great experiences. The Hill is really cool, as is Lafeyette Square; but other than professional sports, there is absolutely nothing in StL that is not in Williamsburg, in terms of entertainment. That's probably why Williamsburg gets 4million tourists every year, and StL gets 4. That doesn't make Williamsburg a better place to live, but for my money I can go without pro sports if it means better weather, lower crime (two 10year olds did try to mug me before my last race there), more outdoor activities and less population density, but that's just me...and none of this is nearly as important as making sure I get the best education and ROI that I can out of my law school (which was the whole point of this discussion to begin with).

Fair enough, then it sounds like Williamsburg is a good fit for you. Which is good, because you're not getting into GULC.

[Capitol A]

Lemme guess, by "complicated" you mean you plan to run for office.

Not at all. You definitely don't need a JD to do that (although I think it helps if you get your JD from Vandy, and make funny website contributions under the name Brock Landers)....
The professional experience that I have had for the last 7 years combined with a JD will help me to pursue a very particular path...There truly is no reason to explain further than that. It would be interesting to no one.

[oshberg28]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Hm. A little boring vs. horrible crime/murder-rate? Toughhhh decision.

I wouldn't spend a year in my life in St. Louis. Life is short, no reason to make it shorter by living in St. Louis.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/Me ... nk_Rev.pdf

Look at #103. Crime rates in St. Louis (including on the most recent list in which St. Louis was given the distinction of "most dangerous city") are often exaggerated by not including the entire metro area (which is often included for other cities) and/or by including data for East St. Louis (which is the cesspool of crime across the river). HTH.

Agree with beachblum, as another native St. Louisan (now living in D.C.)...nearly everyone who brings up the crime aspect of St. Louis has never been there.

[Capitol A]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Hm. A little boring vs. horrible crime/murder-rate? Toughhhh decision.

I wouldn't spend a year in my life in St. Louis. Life is short, no reason to make it shorter by living in St. Louis.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/Me ... nk_Rev.pdf

Look at #103. Crime rates in St. Louis (including on the most recent list in which St. Louis was given the distinction of "most dangerous city") are often exaggerated by not including the entire metro area (which is often included for other cities) and/or by including data for East St. Louis (which is the cesspool of crime across the river). HTH.

Agree with beachblum, as another native St. Louisan (now living in D.C.)...nearly everyone who brings up the crime aspect of St. Louis has never been there.

Like I said, I've been there a few times and I was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was...We didn't cross the river, and there was certainly that situation where you could be in a super nice area and turn the corner into the projects, but I think that's the case in any older city.

[justadude55]

now that poster is settled. what would u guys do in this situation if u could be accepted to a bottom top 14 at sticker for 45k/yr or w&m for 15k/yr

[Grizz]

now that poster is settled. what would u guys do in this situation if u could be accepted to a bottom top 14 at sticker for 45k/yr or w&m for 15k/yr

Something in the middle of that for an amount of money in between those.

[Capitol A]

now that poster is settled. what would u guys do in this situation if u could be accepted to a bottom top 14 at sticker for 45k/yr or w&m for 15k/yr

This was the point of the original post....I wish I never would have posed the question...I've made the decision on my own at this point (and everyone can save the comments about 'you can't get GULC anyway')

[oshberg28]

now that poster is settled. what would u guys do in this situation if u could be accepted to a bottom top 14 at sticker for 45k/yr or w&m for 15k/yr

This was the point of the original post....I wish I never would have posed the question...I've made the decision on my own at this point (and everyone can save the comments about 'you can't get GULC anyway')

Hey, don't listen to the people who say "you can't get into GULC"...what people mean to say is "you have less than a 25% chance of getting in...or less than a 10% chance" - that doesn't mean you can't get in. You never know until you apply.

[beachbum]

now that poster is settled. what would u guys do in this situation if u could be accepted to a bottom top 14 at sticker for 45k/yr or w&m for 15k/yr

Something in the middle of that for an amount of money in between those.

+1, although it depends on the T14. If C or G, then I'd much rather take some sort of scholarship at Vandy or Texas. If MVPDN, I'd go with sticker.

[justadude55]

now that poster is settled. what would u guys do in this situation if u could be accepted to a bottom top 14 at sticker for 45k/yr or w&m for 15k/yr

Something in the middle of that for an amount of money in between those.

+1, although it depends on the T14. If C or G, then I'd much rather take some sort of scholarship at Vandy or Texas. If MVPDN, I'd go with sticker.

is this because of job placement or living style for 3 yrs?

[Grizz]

now that poster is settled. what would u guys do in this situation if u could be accepted to a bottom top 14 at sticker for 45k/yr or w&m for 15k/yr

Something in the middle of that for an amount of money in between those.

+1, although it depends on the T14. If C or G, then I'd much rather take some sort of scholarship at Vandy or Texas. If MVPDN, I'd go with sticker.

is this because of job placement or living style for 3 yrs?

Jerbs.

[justadude55]

UVA > Cornell jobs in NYC?

[tea_drinker]

Lemme guess, by "complicated" you mean you plan to run for office.

Not at all. You definitely don't need a JD to do that (although I think it helps if you get your JD from Vandy, and make funny website contributions under the name Brock Landers)....
The professional experience that I have had for the last 7 years combined with a JD will help me to pursue a very particular path...There truly is no reason to explain further than that. It would be interesting to no one.

You sound like you just ask us for opinions, but really don't take any of them into account. Well, the types of corporate/policy jobs in DC that require a JD can be deduced easily, so people can certainly know what you are referring to. If you already have some work experiences, and are currently working, why give it up? Go to GULC PT for the first year, if cannot handle the workload, switch to FT. GULC will put you at a more competitive position than W&M, especially there will be a great number of Harvard, Yale, NYU, and Berkeley grads flood the corporate/policy job market in DC.

[hipstermafia]

I've made the decision on my own at this point (and everyone can save the comments about 'you can't get GULC anyway')

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[HeavenWood]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Williamsburg is no metropolis, but it's a charming little town all the same--not a place most people would associate with "bumfuck."

[crysmissmichelle]

I guess you're saying St. Louis is boring? It's no NYC, but there is no comparison between the 18th largest metro area in the United States and Bumfucksburg, Virginia.

Williamsburg is no metropolis, but it's a charming little town all the same--not a place most people would associate with "bumfuck."

Ditto about Williamsburg. . . .the stereotype (much like the one about STL) does not include the surrounding areas. . .

[Emma1]

Really don't understand the rudeness that this post has generated. OP is just posing a valid question as to whether people would pick WM with money or GULC at sticker. Both are good schools.