Columbia Law wrote:XxSpyKEx wrote:rickynwhyc wrote:Wow, does ANYONE agree with what Columbia Law is saying?
I'm not saying hes lying, I'm actually inclined to believe him, and that is what scares the living sh** out of me.
Struggle to get a 40k job? Unless you're top 5%? That is ridiculous. We should all just go to trade school and be plumbers and carpenters then. Recession proof, job security, and a lot of room for advancement into master craftsmanship. Am I right!??!
Is there ANY T30 school that has decent employment prospects ITE? Or is it just T14 now? Should everyone who can't make T14 give up any shot at practicing Law, and just be a waiter or a teacher and make 40-60K?
It's a tough market. A tougher one than you give are giving it credit for. The thing is after 2L OCI, finding any paying legal job becomes tough because there aren't a heck of a lot of them out there. It's not like biglaw stopped hiring and all other law firms kept up their hiring. The recession affects almost everyone. Your trade schools "plumber" and "carpenter" jobs aren't rescission proof either. After the housing market plummeted people started putting off things like home improvements or repairs in houses that don't really need it (e.g. if you have an extra house now that no one is willing to pay you anything decent for). It's crazy to even think that t14 students will have “decent employment prospects” simply because they attend a t14. I personally know a number of 3Ls at my school (a t14) that don’t have any paying legal employment lined up for after graduation. It’s not like your school and grades are going to convince a legal employer to take on an attorney that they have no need for (i.e. when firms are laying attorneys off because they can’t give them enough work, they aren’t all of a sudden going to hire you because you have a 3.49GPA and go to Fordham). But at the same time, I don’t think that this means that you should “give up any shot at practicing Law, and just be a waiter or a teacher and make 40-60K” because first off you probably won’t even find a job as a teacher ITE, and things eventually have to pick back up. It’s not like the legal profession is just going to die after this economy. People will always need lawyers. You just have to be more cautious entering into law school because the large law firm model is changing (it is shrinking in size/disappearing since their clients can no longer afford their high billable rates because the corporate clients themselves aren’t making any money). That means taking on something like $200k in debt to attend 3 years of law school at a school like Fordham might not be such a great idea anymore. Keep in mind the less debt you come out with, the more flexibility you have (i.e. paying off $40K in debt with a $50K /year salary isn’t that bad, paying off $200K in debt with a $50k /year salary is impossible).
TITCR. After you strike out at OCI, it becomes "eat what you kill." I'd say 50%+ of people in law school come from well off families, were taught their entire life to do good in school, and neglected at least SOME part of a social life to do well in school. These are the people who get hurt. If you have a hint of anti-social in you, it's going to show in the real world. The world we live in presents an absurd assumption that if you do well in school then you will have a job waiting. After OCI, it's about selling yourself--which most law students can't do.
I actually agree with this. I feel like most of the kids that go to HYS and CCN have no social skills, which will deff hinder their chances of getting a job. If interviewers don't believe you can communicate with clients and other employees, they arent going to hire you no matter how smart you are. But this doesn't mean that law school is a bad idea. It just means there are other factors like in any other industry, which determine how successful you'll be. In the long run, I'd bet there are more successful graduates from lower ranked schools than the T14. I personally know several millionaires from T3's and T4's.